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dear sh and dear friend de president ring despite some a circumstances it is with great honor and emotion that I will remotely participate from Athens in the emblematic leaders Forum in a on the uncompromising fight against against anti-Semitism and Russ please rest assured that my dedication to our common goal remains unshakable commemorate and honor the tragic victims of the horrific Holocaust the greatest crime against humanity and to other fulfill our common Duty never again we Greeks will be honored if in the near future the leaders forum for the commemoration of the Holocaust were to be hosted in aens or better in Thessaloniki a city in which as you well know Mr President because we worked actively together the Greek new host Museum will be erected

I very much look forward to joining you in p in the next leaders Forum meeting thank you this was the president of former president of Greece and you are also member of uh of the Forum of leaders together with other leaders who are joining us uh today ladies and Gent Gentlemen please let's welcome on stage Mr Elon Musk and Mr B [Applause] shapo sorry uh before we start I just would like to Express gratitude and appreciation to Mr musk for taking the time to join us today in uh our times we seek to see more friends and we are uh uh appreciating very much the time you took to be with us today and as a token of appreciation for taking the time to be with us today if I may present something to you please this were made out of a rocket a rocket that fall on

a kindergarten in B in Israel and it was a miracle that kids were not killed during this uh when the when the uh the rocket fall it's an artist Israeli artist by named yuron Bob who take this artist and use it in order to show a message how even Rockets could become a single for never again thank you very much if I may just it's written here presented to Mr Elon Musk in January 2024 in recognition and appreciation of your of your for of your fight against anti-Semitism and to mark your visit to aitz from the European Jewish Association than very much thank [Applause] you well it was a an honor to uh to walk with you today uh at at ashet it's actually my first time there as well uh so sorry B we just have a very short video to present first and then we

start I apologize I apologize uh you know Mr mask when we were walking around house streets together early on today I could help I couldn't help ask myself if the horror of the death camp could have been possible if social media was around in these days after the Holocaust one of the most heard sentences was we did not know today everything is in public everybody is a journalist or eyewitness please watch how it could have been used you have it in front of you sir it could have saved millions of lives I remember you saying AI is potentially the most pressing risk to humans I must tell you that there is a clear and present danger of a different AI this is anti-Semitic incitement this is why I really wanted you to be here with us Elon because this AI ended

up fueling the orens at hits and powering the trains and and took the cattle trucks of Jews to be mored Ben thank you very much for coming to you walk needs little introduction a passionate conservative un important media provider a devoted father and husband an advocate of family values a stanch defender of Israel and above all a proud Jew Millions follow you watch you listen to you and learn from you call to you and with that said I now hand over to your Ben for your discussion thank you very much I apologize for the premature beginning there but um yeah Elon obviously we uh walked Ash I said I I hadn't been there before either I first of all just wanted to get your thoughts on what it was like to to walk aitz and birken now today well it was Inc incredibly

uh moving and and uh deeply sad and tragic that uh humans could do this to other humans um it's good it's good to have the it's good to have the memorials as as the plaque says so that it never happens again um no I i' I mean I'm a student of History so I'd seen the pictures I'd seen the videos um but it's not quite it's it hits you much more in the heart when you see it in person um um I'm still absorbing frankly the magnitude of the tragedy that I witnessed was place where the tragedy occurred I think it'll take a few days just to sink in frankly um and um as was mentioned if if there had been social media I think it wouldn't have been impossible to hide um if if there's been freedom of speech as well you know so so you know one of the one of the first

things the Nazis did when they came in is they shut down all the all the press and any means of conveying information so um it's worth noting in the United States the first amendment in United States was freedom of speech because the people that that that came to the United States from other countries um did not have freedom of speech that if they had said something they could beison killed and that's why the first correction to the Constitution was the ability to um say what you want to say and uh not be thrown in prison or killed yeah Elon is obviously the the CEO of X which is the largest news service on the internet the place where a huge number of people including me get the news you you've been committed since you took over to a much broader perception

of free spe speech uh on on the outlet and that's led to a lot of criticisms about suggestions of rising anti-Semitism on on the outlet as well I can say for my own part that the broadening of speech on Twitter I think has been and on X has been a an excellent thing one of the things that that I was able to do for example in the aftermath of October 7th was actually put out full footage and pictures of what exactly was happening see what what's really happening and the true horror the true horror is is is something people need to be able to see if they want to see it and the community notes feature has allowed for people to even when when things that are false are put up that used to maybe pass in real time now you can correct all of that how do you balance

the necessity for free speech with with all these critiques about you know what is hate speech what is anti-Semitism and how do you balance that well the the general bias of the platform is in favor of free speech and I think at the end of the day free speech wins and in that if somebody says something that's false uh it especially on our platform you can then reply to it with the correction and then I'm a huge fan of community notes I've put we've put um maximum resources and attention behind Community notes so if somebody tries to push a falsehood like Holocaust denial or something like that they can immediately be corrected and and they and you can't get rid of the tag it's like stuck on you you know you you know so um I think it's and the overarching

goal for the xplatform is to be the best source of Truth uh in the world so um now now you know one one one can it's it's difficult to get to perfect truth and sometimes people have different interpretations of truth but one can can always aspire to be as accurate as possible and to minimize the the error between what is said and reality um so um Relentless pursuit of the truth um is is is the goal with with uh with X and all and allowing people to say what they want to say even if it's controversial provided it provided that it does not break the law I think that's the right thing to do and setting the new standard for the Town Square as I say has allowed for more speech and more availability of information than than ever before certainly on on the platform

you recently didn't just go here obviously after October 7th you went to Israel and you saw the wages of horrific anti-Semitism in the various kibuts and and M I saw all the videos I a lot of video yeah yeah it was shocking to see I think maybe the most shocking thing was to see uh the the Delight in killing in people like the Delight in killing kids and defenseless woman and man and there it there was no remorse quite the opposite I mean that requires a level of indoctrination that is uh extremely intense um so so I think that to solve that you have to address the source of the indoctrination because no one no one should everad glad about killing some some child I know a number of enormous number of Jews myself included are very moved that you continue

to wear the necklace uh in remembrance of the hostages so I want to thank you for that obviously because raising the profile of the fact there's still dozens of men women and children so many I checked before I came so many hostages I hope they're alive I hope they come back so let's talk about you know the the uptick and anti-Semitism more broadly one of the things that's been hard to watch as a Jew but also just as an American and a Westerner has been the radical upsurge in anti-semitic activity just generally anti-semitic sentiment appallingly after October 7th it's been astonishing actually yes and I I I must admit to being um somewhat frankly naive about this um in the circles that I move I see almost no anti anti-Semitism and and you know there's

this old old old joke I've got like this one Jewish friend no I have like two-thirds of my friends are Jewish okay I twice as many Jewish friends as non-jewish friends I'm like Jewish by association I'm aspirationally Jewish um so uh so so I don't you know I was like what are people talking about with this anti-Semitism because I never hear it in when at dinner conversations it's like an absurdity um you know at least in my friend circles um but but when you know looking at the the pramas rallies in in vast numbers that took place in almost every major city in the west uh blew my mind um and on including on the elite college campuses that are supposed to be you know if you're an elite college campus you're supposed to be enlightened you're you're not

supposed to be fostering hate um and yet you had these Pro mus demonstrations at har you know Yale including at P I went to upan at pan and I was like this is unbelievable I mean there's a poll recently from Harvard Harris showing that some 67% people aged 18 to 24 said that the Jews were an oppressor class uh which you know in in America Jews represent approximately 7 million Jews in the United States uh out of 330 million Americans tiny percentage of the population uh but that that ideology that that the Jews are an oppressor class matches up very nicely and very closely with what is a conspiracy theory at root anti-Semitism is a conspiracy theory and it's a conspiracy theory about power and if you read Nazi literature the Nazis literally promoted the

idea that Jews were of course this small caste of people who were running all the major industries who were standing behind all world power is Hitler's suggestion is it was world jewry that stood behind Germany's loss in World War I and then the Allies unwillingness to make a deal with Germany prior to World War II and you know that theory of power and group identity is really ugly and we see Echoes of it today I mean the the diversity equity and inclusion ideology that basically suggests that all of society is a vast pyramid of group identity and that at the very top are the people who are successful and that those people are exploiting everybody else and we can tell who's Successful by their group identity not by their level of success by their group

identity that matches up incredibly it syns up almost a vend anti-Semitism absolutely the diversity actually inclusion Ian you should always be always be wary of any name that sounds like it could come out of a George Orwell book okay that's never a good sign um and uh because it sounds like sure diversity Equity inclusion these all sound like nice words but but there what what it really means is discrimination on the basis of race uh sex and um sexual orientation and uh and and it's against Merit um and and thus I think is fundamentally anti-semitic so um yeah um you know the I I I think it the the whole all of the sort of the the all all of the riots that were in the uh major cities and college campuses I think was uh a shocking wakeup call to um I

think any any any sort of civilization or civil minded person really was quite a shock now the crossover between you know some of these rallies on college campuses in favor of Kamas I mean they unite the the weirdest coalitions maybe in human history you'll see lgbtq Flags in favor of Kamas where of course if an lgbtq person were to be actually in the Gaza Strip they would no longer be in the Gaza Strip they would be dead yes um exactly that that's like seriously out of touch yeah it isn't but it only isn't out of touch in the sense that there is a coalitional idea here that basically power structures must be torn down at all costs and if that means allying with people who hate me then I'll Ally with people who hate me and and the fact that that's grown

in fervor since October 7th really is you know as I said to me on on a personal level quite shocking you know what do you make of the future of a West if if the West continues to embrace that idea well I I think we really need to to stop this principle that the the weaker nor normally weaker party is always right this is simply not true um if you are in qutes oppressed or or the weaker party it doesn't mean you're right um because if some of those you know we weaker uh groups want to annihilate you that does not make them good it we just we have to get rid of the rule that that if you're weaker you're automatically good that's that's obviously makes no sense um you know you know it often makes sense whereas like okay you don't want to beat up on someone

smaller and weaker than you um but if that if that smaller group wants to kill you that they're they're bad okay um I mean I'm a big believer in moral absolutism not moral relativism there is there's good and bad in the absolute um and you judge any group or individual against absolute moral standards not whether they they're the so-called oppressed or oppressor just un absolute moral terms are they doing good things do they want to motor inent people that's bad it doesn't matter who they are you would think but the the pseudo sophisticates on college campus seem to think differently so I wanted to get your take on why you think this is so prevalent on college campus what do you think the future of the universities in the United States looks like given

the fact that entire universities appear to have been corrupted by moral relativism and this sort of perverse ideology do you think that a wave of change is coming to the universities do you think that there's going to be direct hiring out of high school what is the solution for universities in the United States as well as abroad I think we need to return to what it what where things were or mostly were which is a focus on on Merit and and it doesn't matter whether you're a man woman uh you know what race you are what beliefs you have what matters is you know how good are you at your job or or how what are your skills you know um you know you could be a three-legged green Martian uh you know wears a kimono and drinks Yak milk who cares it doesn't matter

you know um it what matters is like how good is your work that's it um that that that's that's the Le that's the least sort of racist sexist you can be is just care about the work that somebody does and not anything else um that that's that's what the focus needs to be to return to um yeah yeah it seems as though you mentioned earlier the the sort of problems of attacks on the meritocracy and you know one one of the claims is that there's no real meritocracy there's a there's a a pseudo meritocracy that basically all these institutions are Run for the benefit of those who run the institutions and it feels like there is some truth to the idea that institutions have lost credibility with the people particularly in the west and in the backlash to that I

think that there's now you know sort of an idea that if we do away with all instit tions in all limits on moral Behavior then that that somehow is is better but there needs to be a recapturing of the institutions or at least a rebuilding in place of those institutions new things and that's something obviously that you're very focused on not only with X but your other companies is is building new things Innovation try and create our way out of the problems that we've created for ourselves yeah I think generally people should always be wory that they may have um either consciously or press mostly subconsciously and internalize the notion of a a zero sum game or a fixed Pi um and if if you internalized that that there's it that everything's Zero Sum meaning

like in order for me to get ahead someone else has to not get ahead um or for me to have stuff someone else must not have stuff that if you have that axiomatic floww then then then that's what what it needs to be done is to to fix that atic flow because it is false um there's it's not a zero sum game we can absolutely grow and have grown and the evidence is overwhelming that we have grown the output of goods and services we have many things today that we did not have in the past um we are far more prosperous uh all of humanity is far more prosperous today than it was at times in the past I mean it wasn't that long ago where you know we we' count a good year as one where well the bonic plague wasn't that bad only killed 10 % um you know we uh not that

many people star through the winter um we only lost you know 5% due of our population due to raids from other tribes you know basically life used to be very rough in the old days um and uh it's if if they could see us now they'd be like what are you guys complaining about this is amazing um you know not having to worry about uh F food for I mean we were we were food constrained uh for you know probably the last 100 thousand years until recently so you know re really the the present day future is is amazing compared to the past and anyone who doesn't think it's amazing is not a good student of History um so I think we live in the most interesting of times and probably the best of times one of the things that I I would hope that and I think you're part

of this is is a coalition of meritocrats standing up for the meritocracy is going to be deeply necessary in a future where trust has been fragmented with so many institutions we're going to have to stand up and loudly say that Merit still exists and that Merit is individually based not not based on innate characteristics of of some sort so you mentioned earlier uh you know that you're aspirationally Jewish that you surround yourself with that you're surrounded by so many Jews so are you part of the Jewish conspiracy what what exactly is the maybe that'll please the haters on online yeah I'm sure um no I mean I just so um uh yeah I grew up around a lot of Jewish people I went to Hebrew preschool Rachel Spiro in South Africa um I my name is very Jewish

oh for I I will tell you that for the past 10 years people have assumed in my community that you Jewish until I informed them otherwise yeah Elon is a pretty Jewish name is super Jewish yeah um and then um I went to Israel when I was 13 you know I mean you know visited Mada I'm certainly checking the boxes on a lot of things um and um like I said most of my friends of Jewish just worked out that way so um sometimes I I I yeah I guess maybe I forget am I Jewish I'm I'm Jewish aspirationally Jewish so you know when when you hear critiques about a right about the the the amount of anti-Semitism on X what what are the metrics that you're seeing from the inside about the amount of anti-Semitism or quote unquote hate speech because it's always a vaguely defined

term hate speech uh on on your platform yeah I mean the the the outside ords that we've uh had done um at least the ones that we've had done uh show that there the least amount of anti-Semitism on X of if you look if you look at all the other social it's never going to be zero if you've got 600 million people on a platform expecting it to be anything to be zero is extremely unlikely because you got 600 million people on a platform but when they compare us to uh Instagram Tik Tok uh Tik tok's actually got a lot of anti Tik Tok is pretty terrifying people have not checked out Tik Tok I mean the algorithm is absolutely pushing me toward proas material yes it is um so uh I believe it's we have Tik Tok has like five times the amount of anti-Semitism per post

than we do um so it's not like said it's not going to be zero um but uh to the best of our knowledge it is has the least amount of anti-Semitism of any platform Legacy Media has spent an awful lot of Ink on you there's been a lot of attempts to paint you as anti-semitic or paint X as anti-semitic where do you think that's coming from why why does the Legacy Media seem to have you particularly in the last year and a half uh in in the crosshairs so much well I mean the re reality is that X is competition for the Legacy Media so uh you know X is a is where people go to get the most current news and learn about the world so leg you know the Legacy Media is our direct competitors so they're really going to find trying to every angle to try to cancel X that's

I mean if you want to know why things happening look at the incentives you know so and and Legacy Media had a tough time with respect to uh usage um the numbers I saw was that the sort of traditional print uh cable television uh viewership went down something like 230% last year on the other hand X went up roughly that same roughly 20 30% so it's a direct competition for people's attention so if there's some attack they can Lev Le Levy against me they will it seems as though one one of the other matters is not just direct competition between the media and X but also that the the Legacy Media for most of my life up until the past you know 15 years performed what they saw as a gatekeeping function they were the ones who got to define the narrative they

were the ones who got to determine what was appropriate news and what was inappropriate news and then even after social media arose in the early days there was the sort of the sort of things that you articulate were actually articulated by virtually all the social media heads Mark Zuckerberg used to say the kinds of things that you say Jack dorsy used to say the kinds of things that you said and then there seemed to be an Institutional takeover by a lot of Legacy Media types in terms of the kinds of rules and restrictions that were placed on what you could and could not say on these platforms who would get banned who would not get banned advertisers weaponized against you know particular you know particular Outlets if those Outlets didn't follow the dictat

uh that that were put forward by by these types and and it seems like since you took over one of the the biggest objection of all is that they're not performing the gatekeeping function anymore someone else is well yes I mean I don't think that there should be a gatekeeping function by a small number of of individuals um I mean if really if you say like uh for newspapers in America there are about five editors that decide what what gets put on the front page or what what to focus on or what not to focus on and most of the other the most of the other papers just copy them essentially so but is that really what we want do we want just a handful of people deciding what what they think is important or uh or should it be that the people decide what's important

and I think it should be um sort of or an organic thing where the people decide what's important and what to focus on not just a handful of editors um and uh they don't like the fact that that this power has been taken away from them but I think it should be I want to go back to something that you said a little bit earlier talking about the idea that on a moral level uh you know the there's nothing that suggests that that simple weakness is itself virtue that a weak person can be virtuous but doesn't necessarily mean that they are a powerful person uh can be you know the victimizer but doesn't necessarily mean that they are that logic carried forward particularly to what's going on in Israel right now has been in my opinion entirely pernicious and wrong

there's this idea that because Israel is a powerful militarily sophisticated country that is doing its best to limit civilian casualties in one of the most population dense areas of the world in which we have terrorists who are honeycombed throughout every aspect of society building literally hundreds of miles of tunnels the entire London subway system worth of tunnels underneath the ground uh that somehow you know Israel targeting those systems and killing a lot of people because when you kill terrorists unfortunately and they're embedded among civilians it's terrible and it's horrifying with every one of deaths is on the terrorist group that embeds itself with civilians there's been this this this logic has been mapped onto that conflict that smaller

and weaker means morally virtuous because victimized yeah it it really has come completely full circle from um or or or 180 degrees from what has historically been the case so through most of History the operating principle has been uh might makes right so yeah for really up until modern times uh might makes right was the if you were stronger you were right um now now we've sort of flipped it to know if you're weaker you're right but but but neither is true there is there is uh rightness independent of strength or weakness um just because somebody's strong doesn't mean they're right and doesn't because somebody's weak doesn't mean they're right you have to look at morals in the absolute so on a broader level El you you talk a lot about you know your Hope

For Humanity uh i' say that you're somebody who really loves Humanity which is why you talk about expanding Humanity's reach out to the stars um when when you go to a place like like ashit or when you walk the villages like kibuts Berry after October 7th does that change your opinion of humanity or does it reinforce what you think Humanity can be on both the positive side and on on the negative side I I think it is actually human nature to love Humanity unless you are indoctrinated otherwise so uh I think the actual default for most people is to love Humanity um and to love being around their fellow humans um you can take for example like what's one of the worst punishments in in prison is solitary confinement and all solitary confinement means is that

you're you're you don't get to hang out with the other prisoners which which might not be the best group of people to hang out with um but even that is considered a terrible punishment to not be able to hang out with other prisoners so in Truth uh I but I think in our nature we all love Humanity unless we are indoctrinated otherwise and so we have to stop that indoctrination so how do you think that that people ought to pursue that because obviously we have seen indoctrination at at a wide variety of levels ranging from sort of soft indoctrination in various schools in the west very very hard indoctrination that you see in for example the Gaza Strip where kids are literally unfortunately at very young ages they have graduation ceremonies that we've seen

tapes of where they're reenacting kidnapping of Israeli soldiers or killing of Israeli soldiers for example that fundamentally has to be addressed or there will not be peace uh the the the education of kids in Gaza um the the indoctrination of hate into kids in Gaza has to has to stop so it's you know when I was in Israel I was like that was my top recommendation is like you got to make sure um you know I understand the need for this to to invade Gaza and unfortunately some innocent people will die there's no way around it but the the the most important thing is to ensure that afterwards that uh the indoctrination where kids are taught from as soon as they can uh understand language that their goal is to kill Israelis and and if you're told that from

when you were toddler well you're going to believe it and that needs to stop yeah on a technological side what do you think can be done there because actually this is one of the areas where you know the Gaza Strip isn't famous for its internet access um you know there there there there are a lot of places around the world where the government puts an extraordinarily heavy hand on the flow of information you're mentioning that the Nazis first thing they did was take over the entire press mechanism inside Germany and then inside the occupied areas uh of Europe but that obviously happens all over the world right now and one of the things you VI startling for us to try and open up some of those Avenues of information but what what what what can you do what

what what shoulding at it's worth noting also the the Nazis engaged in in extreme censorship uh within Germany for anything anything that was pro-s Semitic I'm not sure how I don't how many people are aware of that but you were that they they censored any prosmetic anyone who tried to defend the Jews in Germany any anything prosmetic was was censored so um yeah um I think freedom of speech and RI rigorous pursuit of the truth is the way is is one way to get to to defeat hatred you know when when I look at the United the way well when I look at the United States one of the things that that seems to be breaking down and and when any the first element historically maybe the last element of a society in a state of mental decline uh is a vast outbreak of anti-Semitism

this is what was happening in not only Nazi German but historically countries that that are in a state of decline tend to have wild outbreaks uh of anti-Semitism and it seems to me that one of the key things that can that can reverse that process is the rebuilding of local institutions uh and as local institutions break down you see sort of this fragmentation of the population at Large um how do you merge the the need for technological development with the with the building of those local institutions families churches schools and the kinds of things that societies are built upon yeah actually I I should say there were really three things that were my strong recommendation visiting Israel one is obviously one has to get rid of uh Hamas fighters who were

reform is impossible their only goal is to kill Israelis they are to be either killed or imprisoned because otherwise they will simply kill more Israelis uh then the second thing is you you've got to change the indoctrination uh in the schools uh so that kids are not taught to to hate uh from the moment they are 2 years old and and then the third thing is um which is a very hard thing to do in this situation is conspicuous acts of kindness to the people in Gaza conspicuous acts of kindness to the people in Gaza it's it's it's just that much harder to hate someone if if you do nice things for them even if they bite they try to bite your hand when you do it keep doing it and you look at the Marshall Plan after you know look at world look at the difference

between World War I and World War II where after World War I uh Germany got an unfair share of the blame um it led to immense B bitterness it's what allowed Hitler to rise to power um was the uh embeded German soldiers from World War I um and uh but then you look in contrast to what happened off World War II you had the Marshall Plan so you had um you know had United States coming in and actually uh funding the rebuilding of Germany and re and the rebuilding of Japan how often does that happen in history but look at the results no war with Germany peace with Japan and Germany uh for now soon it'll be almost a century so when you look at the state of the West right now you somebody maybe it's all the Doom scrolling but when you when you uh you know look

at the state of the West right now you're very optimistic it sounds like uh you know I I find it hard to be optimistic in uh In This Moment it's been a very ugly couple of years you know from Ukraine to the current conflict in Israel and Hamas uh to domestic politics in the United States everywhere else it seems like there's a lot of polarization a lot of fragmentation what do you think is the future of of the West can we come together around any sense of shared common values especially given the fact that everybody is kind of drinking from the fire hose of information one of the downsides about the upside of information is the availability the downside is you know choice paralysis and overload I mean you can definitely get information overload there's

so much information coming at you these days uh because you can get all the world's information real time and impossible for one human to digest all that um you know I think I think there are some things that we can agree on or most people would agree on are cool and inspiring like um Humanity going to the Moon you know if you ask probably kids almost anywhere in the world what's the coolest thing humans have ever done I think a lot of kids would say we went to the moon you know um and uh I so I think we want to continue that Spirit of exploration um you know speaking of kind of growing the pie and is is that we we want to I think have a dream that we can be uh a space bearing civilization a multi-planet species a multi- Cellar species and go out there

among the stars and and discover the nature of the universe um that we can collectively seek greater Enlightenment um to better understand this Incredible Universe we live in uh um I find that very compelling I I think I think most people would find that very compelling I think embedded in that is also as you say that core value of meritocracy because it's one thing to say man can go to the moon it's another thing to say I can be part of man going to the moon and a meritocracy suggests that you can be part of that it's not just that human beings are capable of doing the thing it's that you can be a part of that thing if you work hard enough if you innovate enough if you try hard enough and so societies that seem to have given up on that also seem to have

given up on on going to the Moon societies that are so reflective about their own supposed laws the United States has this problem right now that they that they are unwilling to to Simply say freedom is pretty phenomenal and and meritocracy is the greatest thing that's ever been invented and we should hold on to that and that's what's going to allow us to get to the Moon that that stops us from going to the moon or to Mars or to anywhere else yeah I mean there's and there's many wonderful interesting things that are happening besides space expor ation obviously as time goes by we improve our ability to cure cancer to cure many diseases um there's increased access to information and people talk a lot about inequality but what about the equality of access

to information that's incredible um you know right now if you if you've got uh you know a very cheap electronic device at an internet internet cafe you can access all of the lectures of MIT for free uh you can access almost any book you can learn anything uh this is an equality of access to information that was Unthinkable uh even 20 30 years ago um you can teach yourself how to do anything for free that's amazing um maybe there's like too much focus on the things that are unequal but we should we forget about the things that are equal and that have have improved inequality so much like access to information um you know that's one of the things that we're trying to help out with stall link is uh provide access inter internet access to people who don't

have internet access or where it's too expensive for them to afford because once you have internet access you can learn anything and you can sell your your your products and services so um I think that's that's pretty amazing I mean you know that's sort of like if if we're going to count our flaws we should also count our blessings yeah one of the things that uh I think is amazing about what you've been doing Elon is that it's not just you know the the business side of you that's important obviously uh you become this unbelievably you know large figure looming in the public imagination and that means that when you tweet it has you know impact that is that is very large how do you decide when to tweet sometimes memor sometimes it's sometimes it's joking

sometimes it's these long thought out post how do you decide when to how how do you inform yourself on on the topics that you're tweeting about well um I do I do post a lot on the xplatform um you know sometimes a 100 times a day so you know once in a while I'll do something dumb um for sure um but I I I really um you know I I try to say things that I think are interesting or funny um I mean there must be some reason why 169 million people follow me I guess I don't know um I must be keeping them amused in some way um so amuse entertain you know have opinions on something sometimes they're wrong sometimes they're right um and um you know and for things like Community notes it applies to me as well as it applies to anyone else so if I say something that's

incorrect or you know not full context then Community notes will correct me very quickly so um but it's only me doing these posts ever I don't have a team or anything uh so uh in fact I generally would recommend for leaders of the world to just literally post your own stuff and once in a while you make a mistake don't worry about [Laughter] it so yeah can't win them all can't can't nobody bets a thousand so obviously where we visited today you know the the big takeaway always is never again um the I think that the question that a lot of Jews worldwide asked after October 7th and after that wild up surge of anti-Semitism which which we've seen the Jew hatred that that continues now is whether never again really for a lot of people meant never again between

the years 1939 and 1945 or whether it actually means never again like right now as in if there is a genocidal group that wishes to kill lots of Jews is that something that you wish to stand up against right now and when you look out at the world and the state of the world you know the uh the video that EJ put up a moment ago suggesting that um the Holocaust would have been somewhat mitigated or people may have had more information yeah or or been able to certainly been able to to escape earlier I mean one of the one of the things that's astonishing obviously about the history of the Holocaust is how many Jews because they were only getting partial information it it was slow and it was gradual and by the time they wanted to get out it was it was just too

late for them to get out you know what are your hopes that that never again is a real thing I mean I still hope there's not a not a holocaust that's how realistically is it I I think I think it's unlikely frankly so at least if you say like um I mean I could be naive but I think the probability of a Holocaust in the west is extremely tiny um you know I think if you look at say the you know the Nazis I think hler got like a third of the vote or something like that when he was first semi he was sort of sort of semi- elected and then did did basically a coup um and um but but think of all the people that fought to destroy Nazism the the the millions of millions of people that fought and and had died to destroy Nazism the that's the vast majority of the West

opposed even even in those days opposed Nazism and fought and died and my grandfather was uh in World War II for almost six years um all his friends got killed he's the only one of his friends to survive um and he was severely traumatized like he really just couldn't even talk afterwards um most of that time was in East Africa North Africa Italy the only reason he's even alive frankly is because towards the end of the war they um gave like a an aptitude test uh because he was just a Corporal he he didn't graduate high school so he wasn't eligible for Officer school and they they plucked him out probably right before he died and sent him to work for British intelligence in London which is where I met my grandmother you know so he was one of the people

fighting to stop the Nazis and many along with millions of others that you know so let's not forget that the vast majority of the of the West Ford and died to stop Nazism so I had the chance to briefly meet your three-year-old today oh yeah he's a he's a fun guy adorable um I have a three-year-old of my own so I can they're all very similar uh in but you know as your you have some kids who are much older you have you know kids who who are younger obviously when it comes to teaching them about things like the Holocaust and anti-Semitism how do you address those topics um well my kids are pretty well read um so they they read a lot of history um they're not ignorant on the subject uh I mean maybe the three-year-old is sure but I would hope yes you know

can't read so um no my my kids are very well read so um but but I you know I have had some sort of just disturbing conversations with sort of some say nephews uh or some some family members not not my kids but um kids of family members where uh I I was actually shocked to see anti-Semitism or or at least yeah um one disturbing conversation was you know saying that the uh you know that we deserve to have the Trade towers destroyed because of our terrible foreign policy and I was like this is what they're teaching you in Elite New York high schools this is messed up well Elon I think I personally choose all over the world a lot of people in this room want to thank you for not only visiting aitz but also for visiting Israel after October 7th and for the

strong moral voice you've been on behalf of the fight against anti-Semitism it's great to spend time with you thank you so much thank you thank you for having [Applause] me thank you very much youo thank you Ben for very very interesting interviews interview thank you for the questions and thank you for the answers I would like now pleas to call the 10th president of the state of felen rlin and Dr M the president of the conar of Paris for for a brief picture please the 10th President of Israel thank you Dr Jo M the president of the South France we we'll take please a picture before we move on with the program thank you president Trin president if he please can call you for the okay okay how we hold it again it's quite heavy okay yeah please do [Applause]

okay you than you thank you very much yeah