Tucker Carlson Tonight — Part 1

if he loses man [Laughter] what it does seem that way you can't just be like you can't just be like yeah I'm like how how long do you think my prison sentence is going to be do you think well I see my children I don't know cuz it's not like you can say well yeah I maxed out to him but you know I get you no [Laughter] deniability no no and I've been trashing compa nonstop oh I know well not I'm the Kamala puppet I call her you know the the the machine that the Cala puppet represents yeah she's irrelevant I mean she's not even no no like like I made I made a joke which I realized I deleted um which is like nobody's even bothering to try to kill Kamala cuz it's pointless what do you achieve nothing another puppet exact that's it's no point you actually put

that up yeah now some people interpreted it as I was as as though I was calling for people to to assassinate her but but but I was like but I was like no we even you know you know like doesn't it seem strange that no one's even bothered to try it's not worth it I mean there's an endless supply yeah like nobody would it's absurd it could be anybody yeah yeah you nobody's going to try to nobody tries toass a puppet of course not um a marionette yeah a marionette it's just like you know it's hilarious she's safe like I I like they're try to kill Trump twice with actual guns and bullets um oh yeah he shut in the air right in [ __ ] but Butler where I was and uh he doesn't seem rattled it's weird does he do you he doesn't seem what rattled uh he I mean he

the constitution of an ox it seems um you know it's not like working out and eating health [Laughter] and he's okay we got to tape this oh yeah we're good oh good yeah so so he's not like let me eat another salad that's not no or or work out you you know fastidiously that's he he I feel like he doesn't work out and he eats you know cheeseburgers and D Coke and stuff and it just I think it just inherently has a strong Constitution so and you I mean you were just with him he didn't seem like a man who'd been the subject of two assassination attempts no he seemed uh of you know sound mind and body and uh strong backbone did you um I mean that's what I said in the thing and the remarks I made there were impromptu there's no teleprompt or anything I just I

was just I was speaking extemporaneously are you the only rich guy who does have like a media consultant I media consultant yeah no I've noticed obviously yeah yeah I I mean no I I just um no I just thought about what what what I want to say and I just spoke with the cuff uh no tprp or nothing good for you yeah I could talk just look like I'm like like now I'm just talking look at me wow amazing can you believe it I can talk without a tpr that's crazy but if if he loses it's going to be hard for you to pretend you never supported him [Laughter] all in all in in the deep end yeah no you are definitely in the deep end you cannot touch bottom no no I'm I'm like I'm like rolling around I'm like a pig and mud I'm like it's all in baby is it fun yeah it's pretty

fun how I mean I mean there may be some in the hopefully unlikely event that he loses there may be some Vengeance uh on me were you kidding I I mean it's possible it's possible you've got to be one of the biggest government contractors we do essential work for the government yes yeah it's not like you know uh we we do useful essential work right um that we compete for and win contracts on because our product is much better and costs less that that's why we get govern and and and I mean if you take for example the the um the NASA contract to transport astronauts to in fromont the space station uh Boeing got NASA Ed two contracts at the start uh one to Boeing and one to SpaceX Boeing was awarded twice as much as SpaceX SpaceX has done all the astronord

transport uh from the space station and and Boeing has only done one one transport of one of two as to the space station and we had to bring them back B got twice as much as space there there's this total misunderstanding that that my companies have been subsidized and supported by the government and get all these and and it's like do you do you really think that a Biden Administration is going to subsidize me probably not are you kidding no in fact uh they take away every contract they possibly can uh so there for example there was the FC the the FCC contract to uh $42 billion for uh providing providing rural rural Bo Broadband yes okay uh we we actually first said look we don't we think there shouldn't be any subsidies so we recommend this that this

program just not exist um but since you're insisting that it ex that it exists we will compete um and we we have better product so we we we won I don't know about a quarter of it um which would have included the devastated areas like North Carolina and stff and um the FCC took it away illegally they just voted three out of five Commissioners voted away and said even though you want it we're we're we're sending it on what ground and do you know how many people they' have connected how many zero so you think that was political well the three Democrats voted against and the two Republicans voted for it so you tried to get starlink you tried to get starlink into North Carolina into Western North Carolina the area is devastated by the hurricane we have got

it it is it is in there and it is the primary means of communication in devastated areas you had conflict with Buddha judge over this well I I I raised a cons I said look we're we we had delivered we've been delivering stalling terminals there for a while and obviously some people already had them um since they just you know consum private individuals had Starling there already um we delivered uh um really thousands of terminals U and and got all the way up to the you know the areas where they wouldn't let us go any further and then we're like okay we're going to send helicopters in uh and and and find people who are stranded and and give them Starling terminals which I think is you know a nice thing to do yeah okay the they they wouldn't let us land

um because the there was an FAA uh notice to em and notm that said in order to land you have to know who you're going to meet with uh to land now the problem is we're trying to deliver internet communications people don't have internet communications we don't know who they are then they can't reach us because they are don't have communications do you see the cash 22 yes I do Insane so so it's obviously impossible for people who don't have internet communications to let us to to let us know who they are because they don't have the internet yes yes and so um did you explain this to the federal government yes what they say they they they they fixed it how was Buddha judge when you talked to him he was actually good so I want to be just I want to give Buddha

judge some credit here um first a you know when I complained about it he he he reacted in a in a very level-headed way and he reached out to me and he called me yeah uh and we weed discussed the issue got to the bottom of it and he fixed it good so credit to vo judge yeah well and to you for pushing it yeah I mean so but as soon as he was aware of the problem he fixed it well you publicized it too on yeah yeah as soon as you shamed him well but I do want to give credit words too yeah no amen I agree completely so but back to the original question you know about the potential consequences if you know having gone all in this doesn't work yeah um I mean you had to have thought about this long and hard before you did it what was your thinking I mean my view

is is that if Trump doesn't win this election it's the last election we're going to have um that but uh the Democrats the Dem machine um has been uh importing so many PE bringing in so many illegals flying flying in with this like CVP border app thing that nobody even knew about like secret program that's illegal basically it's it's illegal but there's no action by doj to actually to to stop it from happening they're um transporting uh numbers of of illegals to swing States um if you look at the numbers these are the numbers from the government website so like from the Dem Democrat administered government websites like where do you get this data from the government website that is run by democrats um and uh there are triple digit increases in illegals

to all the swing States and in some cases it's like 700% over the last three years now these swing state marins are you know sometimes 10 20,000 votes so what happens if you put you know hundreds of thousands of people into each swing state uh and and and and for the for the if when somebody is granted Asylum they are fast-tracked they they they they get can get a green card and then five years after the Green Card uh they can get they can get citizenship and they can fully legally vote and when they do so they vote overwhelmingly Democrat and the and sometimes I get this rebuttal of like well a lot of them their social values don't align with sort of the far-left sort of work ideology I said that's true but um but that's not their top priority the their

top priority is getting their friends and family also to the United States uh and the the DS also issue all these programs these sort of handouts essentially that make them beholden to the Democratic party so they vote down that's what happens so my prediction is if there's another four years of AD Dem Administration they will legalize so many uh illegals that are there uh that the next election there won't be any swing States and it's and will be a single party country just like California is a single party State it's a super majority Dam State in California because of immigration yes the California was uh fairly reliably Republican um Bill Clinton lost California 92 and won West yes um so there was a 9 986 amnesty yes um at and and um thereafter California

trended very strongly Dem and is at this point uh I think 65 70% Dem something like that it's super majority Dem the the California legislature yes is more than two-thirds Dem um has it improved the state no it's it's not um and they they California just passed which is shocking it's hard to believe this even this is even real but California just passed a law making it illegal uh to require vo ID in any election at all in California do you know that no yeah Nome signed it into law last week it's illegal to require an ID in any election even a Town Council and a friend of mine who was this can who lives in paloalto was like is was like is this actually real anywh like vote in like some City Council election he tried to show them his ID and they said we're

not even allowed to look at your ID have they extended the same actually what's going on right now by the way they're proud of it they're not hiding it it's only voting it's not buying a gun or buying liquor buying pack of cigarettes or flying on an airplane or rening a hotel room it's only voting that it's illegal oh if you try to buy a gun I mean they're going to ID use six ways a Sunday uh yeah they try California's trying to make it basically legal it's own gun um and and the same people that demanded vaccine IDs for if you want to travel or do anything are the same ones who say no voter ID is required is there any reason obviously hypocritical to pass a law like that except to a bet voter um it's it's for it's it's it's so that fraud can never cannot

be proven so it it enables large scale fraud and no way to prove it because how would you prove it it's literally impossible no no ID you're not even allowed to show your ID it's it's insane well it is insane the the purpose of no vo voter ID is obviously to conduct fraud in elections obviously there can be no other explanation I mean they come up with some nice sounding thing um people don't have IDs could you live in this country without an ID yeah I mean their common rebuttal is like it's racist to require ID and which is insane I think it's actually race racist and patronizing to say that people can't figure out how to get ID obviously but how could live here without an ID I don't think it's even possible yeah you can't do anything you need an ID

for everything like the list of the things you need ID for is basically everything um except voting so you see the rest of the country it's total [ __ ] obviously obviously yes but that doesn't in any way minimize the aggression or self-righteousness they bring to this conversation yes it's you're a racist if you want that right where where in fact obviously someone is racist if they say that uh people of a particular race cannot get ID that's patronizing and racist that's absurd yes you know it's like when the governor of New York said people in the you know ghetto don't know how to use computers or something like that I mean like you know super out of touch so likeo so there's a really clear template she doesn't know how to use computers but they do

obviously I don't think hoko could use a computer yeah I don't think she she's not qualified intellectually yeah no not but not everyone in New York is as dumb as as Kathy hok I think that's true yeah yeah um so you see the other 49 states becoming California if the machine wins well you don't need uh all all 49 to go that way you just need you know enough to have the election have there not be swing States I mean there are only six Swing Swing States yep so there are only six states out of 50 right now that are in contention so if those six states that are in contention uh by narrow margins are no longer in contention then uh the the only contest will be who wins the Democratic Prim primary that's how it is in California that's how it is New York there

there's no there's no party uh party versus party situation the only contest is who wins the Democratic Prim primary and as we've seen with the um uh appointment of kamla who no one voted for even in the Democratic primary yes where's the Democracy here which is it's easier though I mean it's just the party Elite just decides who who who is in charge that's that that that that's that's a you know a tiny oligarchy basically comprised of that's not democracy the richest people in the country that's kind of the interesting part to me is that the richest people in the country are on board with this I mean that's what it is it's the it's it's a collection of billion well most of them are yeah but you're not not me and not everyone is I think there's but but

it it it is a a shocking number of soal billionaires are uh in the dam Camp more than are in the Republican Camp oh for sure which is wild so the in fact the astonishing thing in the swing States is that that it's that they even a contest given that uh the the Dems have far more money than the Republicans so so the K Camp dramatically outspends the Trump campaign in the swing States um the uh overwhelming the the media is overwhelmingly pro-democrat so you've got you know the the Press you know is is a a damn cheering Squad um and um you know so oh and then and then you've got Al all all the almost all the Hollywood and entertainment the celebrities also you know endorsing Comm and being proem so so you got so you got the celebrities you got the they

got the money uh they got um got they basically everything on the side of the DMS the the problem is the underdog here Trump's Underdog in swing Wing States and still it's a contentious it's still a 50/50 after all that what does that tell you it tells me that if if people actually knew what was going on they weren't being fed non-stop propaganda it would be a landslide in favor of Republicans yeah but why not join the easier side I mean you're just you're creating problems for yourself by getting on stage with Trump and I mean you must have had friends who said that to you sure yes yeah people care about you like why even get involved in this well I get because I I I think we want to remain a democracy and we don't want to become a onep party State yes

that's the reason um and the it's the exact opposite like the people call Trump a threat to democracy and the people who are saying Trump is a threat to democracy are themselves the threat to democracy yes um one party rule is not democracy uh one party where essentially the party Elite pick a candidate as happened with Kamala is not democracy where did the people vote show me where the people voted no there were no people voting it was all just D party Elite that just appointed someone um and and and when the when the Biden puppet uh when Pro Biden puppets uh ratings sagged they knifed him in the back immediately and it just tossed him out and put it put a new puppet on that's exactly what happened tell me I'm wrong well not only you're right I mean

it's almost not even worth criticizing KLA Harris exactly what does she have to do with it there's no point in criticizing K she she's she's simply the the the face of a l a much larger machine yes um and she will say whatever is whatever the T the teleprompt whatever's on the teleprompter she's going to say it yes now she gets stuck if the teleprompter breaks that happened recently I think the PRP is St and she just she was just like looping for a while for about a minute um so I think that happened yesterday or something it was pretty funny to watch um but she'll just say whatever words or on the teleprompt so you know um it's really whoever controls the teleprompter is the actual sort of those that's who's actually in charge and who is that do you

think well I've tried to put it down it's it's not like anyone kind of Master mind it's not like it seems to be it's like um Kamala sort of a a marionette with you know th a thousand Puppet Masters type of thing like not it's it's it's or maybe it's in it's somewhere north of a 100 is what it seems like yes um I bet you know 80 of them I probably know most of them yeah yeah so I mean just by virtue of your job and what you've been doing the last 30 years I mean you yeah um and I should say I think you voted for I'd like to see a matchup of of of those quote the the top 100 Puppet Masters on the FD Client List do you think there's some overlap overlap strong overlap when are we going to see that list do you think I don't know it's it's it's it's mind-blowing

that that it um that not they've not tried to prosecute even one not even the worst offender on on the F Client List they've not even ride to prosecute even one is that that's insane well because they have a lot of diabetic grandmothers who were outside the capital on January 6 they they're kind of occupied yeah I mean they've put like whatever five or 600 Jan 6 protesters in prison and not one person on the on the F Cent list will that ever come out do you think you know I think part of why Kamala is getting so much support is that uh if if Trump wins that F Client List is going to become public and some of those billionaires behind Kam are terrified of that outcome yeah do you think Reed Hoffman's uncomfortable yes I only asked that cuz you can sort

you just look at them and you're like that that's a nervous person right there I don't know I mean I assume you know them yeah yes uh Reed hoffen was my vice president business development at PayPal yeah 24 years ago um he does he seem nervous to you yeah I mean he's terrified of trump victory because of the disclosure that would follow I think yeah I mean I think he's certainly ideologically not aligned with Trump anyway but I think he is concerned about the uh the FC situation like something might actually the doj might actually move forward there are a lot of videos apparently those rooms on the island and I think out in New Mexico were wired for video right and where's the video I mean between ddy and Epstein uh let go there there's probably several

thousand hours of footage here yeah yeah it's kind of weird that the people on those videos are lecturing the rest of us about our moral failings isn't it yeah it is weird what is that um well I mean part of how they deflect attention from themselves is by a you know criticizing the morals of others yes so they it's sort of like a preemptive moral strike um I mean as I said I think those who are saying Trump is a threat to democracy are themselves actually the threat to democracy it feels like we're getting to a place where the rest of us know too much is this you know what I mean I mean it's it's it's easier to live in a society where you don't really know what the people in charge are doing or why they're doing it but now thanks I would say largely

to X yeah um I think that's fair to say that yeah uh we we do know a lot not everything but we know a lot and I wonder where does that like what happens next now that we know all this the kidnapper shown us his face like what happens well I think if uh if Trump wins we can do some has cleaning and shed light on things yeah all all the xplatform does is uh adhere to freedom of freedom of speech within the bounds of the law yes and if if people want to change the laws they they can change the laws and so like X in different countries we X does censor in in in countries where censorship is is is the law um we don't try to you know P push American laws in other countries uh but we do try to stick to the law in any given country um that's what we're doing

um uh we open source our algorithm uh we try to be as transparent as possible um uh but uh those who want to push lies obviously hate truth and transparency yes because it shows them to be Liars I mean you look at that like how outrageous it was that um K in the presidential debate kept kept pushing the fine people hoax they know the fine people hoax is is false Trump would never support Nazis Nazi R it's absurd and he explicitly said that you in that same speech uh that you must condemn not you know anyone who who has Nazi Tendencies with the uh in the strongest possible terms despite knowing that to be false uh the people who who who wrote the speech for the K puppet uh put the fine people hoax in the presidential debate deliberately lying again messed

up if she wins I mean I how can they let X continue uh in its current form in its current role in American society they they they won't they will uh try to shut it down by any means possible what do you mean by any means possible I mean with law e either by I mean they'll try to pass laws uh they'll try to process prosecute the company prosecute me um any I mean the amount of lawfare that we' seen taking place is is outrageous um I mean the I mean there many examples but like the Department of Justice For example launched a huge lawsuit against SpaceX for failing to hire Asylum Seekers come on Asylum Seekers Asylum not Asylum those who granted Asylum Asylum Seekers now this now there's also a law called International traffic and arms regulations um that

because SpaceX develops Advanced missile technology that can be used in in nuclear icbms um that we ha we have to be very careful with who we hire we can only hire someone if they are a permanent resident or citizen that's what the itar law says then there's another law that says that uh you cannot discriminate against Asylum Seekers so we're damned if you do damned if you don't that doj did a massive lawsuit against SpaceX uh for failing to hire Asylum Seekers even though we are it it is illegal for us to H hire ass because under itar law this is an actual thing that that that's that's gone on um and they can only they can only do a fairly small number of lawsuits every year so for why did they pick this one because you Ma yeah it's it's like that famous

quote from barer you know the yeah Stalin's Like Chief torturer and head of the secret police Baria said show me the man and I'll show you the crime I mean we have so many laws that it is actually impossible to ex you know impossible to to do business impossible to operate without um being uh violating some law because you have laws like it the ones I just G gave you whe where both things are illegal yes the contradict one another they contradict one another um so you know it's it's illegal to discriminate against like discriminate against Asylum seekers in in jobs but it's also legal for us to hire Asylum Seekers but it's just they just they just chose one they chose the the the the one law and ignored the other one and the department of J Justice at

a federal level prosecutors basx for that what do you think it's mad well it also discredits the idea of law which some of us want to take seriously absolutely it it it this affect both the perception of of American Justice and the reality of it yes um so now I'm actually a big fan of the American justice system and I think on balance uh you know we've we've got still still have an excellent Judicial System we still have judges that care about the letter uh and intent of the law I mean not just the letter but also the intent but something that people should be concerned about is that there's an increasing movement to place activists as judges this is uh if you look at who who did the Biden Administration confirm as federal judges and who are been confirmed

at at the state level in in in sort of f States increasingly it is it is not uh judges who uh care about Justice or or they not care about following the law they care about social justice not justice justice right what they soci social justice activists as judges now you got a real problem do you think if if that continues we we will not have a real justice system or a real country yes I yeah um but again your purchase of X has been I think it's fair to say even if I hated it I would say this because it's true it's been pivotal in American politics yeah um in an American society uh do you think they could shut you down if the Democrats continue to hold power they'll unequivocally try yeah yeah and and if if if they if they uh if they get a majority in

the Senate and House um and the presidency then they can simply pass a law uh and delete section 230 so simply make us liable for what for what any any what anyone says on a platform with uh you know good like at this point with 600 million monthly active users which is impossible how you know that's that's like trying to regulate speech in city of like a country uh yeah so a big country yeah just be instantly bankrupt but I bet they wouldn't withdraw legal immunity from the vaccine makers at the same time would they no that's unlikely just I mean as long as we're withdrawing legal liability protection yeah yeah I mean the whole vaccine debate is is is a long one um you know I'm not actually I'm not antivaccine in general um I think we want to exercise

caution with use of vaccines but um in the absence of vaccines uh there would be a lot more I think people that that uh that have died you know like we want the small pox vaccine that was a good one it seems a good one yeah yeah yeah small pox will kill you killed a lot of people it killed a lot of people I just to be people would like a lot of people would die of smallpox and a lot of people would get polio for sure yeah we had a pres who had Polio oh yeah there's still people you meet people today yeah in their 80s who limping from childood polio right it's good that we don't have that and vaccines you know played a major role in that so that doesn't mean that vaccines should not have any scrutiny of course they should we should be making sure that

the quality control on vaccines is incredibly good if we giving them to children and whatnot um and we shouldn't we shouldn't force people to take vaccine um that itself is a controversial statement that we shouldn't force people we shouldn't force people to take vaccines now yeah um so just to re I believe in Freedom like uh yeah I've noticed like uh you know America is supposed to be the land of liberty um you know uh freedom freedom and opportunity uh so that uh we try to as much as possible maximize people's individual liberty um and that we try to be a country where you you succeed based on uh your talent and hard work yes uh those are two fundamental values um that that's what that's that's what's made America great and and if we lose those we will

our decline will be swift um what what do you if you had to get if you had to bet I mean does freedom reassert itself in America or not well that's why I part of why this election is so pivotal I think if we with a trump Administration I think we can improve the liberty of Americans um we we can uh I think we need to have sensible deregulation uh where we we keep the regulations that matter like we we don't want to destroy you know important habitats or yes you know encourage oil spills or anything like that um but there there are so many regulatory agencies that have overlapping responsibility um that we are smothering progress and we can't build a high-speed rail in America you look at the ridiculous highspeed Rail Project in California where they've

spent $7 billion and all they've got to show for it is a six A600 foot section of concrete with no rails on it there a picture of it online so it's it's not that fast yet it wouldn't say it's high speed at this point or even rail it doesn't even have rail in it maybe by now they put some rail in it but it's this comically small section of rail uh $7 billion has been spent uh most of it in like environmental Consulting and uh I don't know where it's but clearly not in building highspeed rail uh so we can't we can't we've got there are so many different Regulatory Agencies and so many laws and regulations that prevent progress that if this continues we simply won't be able to get anything done it does seem like the engineers are not getting rich it's the

Environmental Consultants the climate Consultants the Dei Consultants a whole consultant class seems to be getting richer by the year where people with actual skills the ones that bring actual progress useful things products and services that you can use that's right so this is a thinks that if you were like traff on desert island you'd want those people right right um but you wouldn't want environmental Consultants they seem under they seem under you're star okay yeah yeah yeah and um it's like who who's who are actual Builders at that get things done um and uh you know and and and and every year we're making it harder in America for actual Builders to get things done you know we're in this like weird Anand Atlas Shrugged scenario where it's you know

there's yet another regulation yet another Rule and the sort of that that phrase in Atlas Shug oh you'll oh you'll manage oh you'll manage oh you'll manage it's like eventually you like can't get anything done why the hostility though toward people with with meaningful skills it's it's not it's not a neutral posture they have and they're riching themselves obviously by creating fake jobs because they have no skills and you know they don't have creative power so I understand that but why do they hate people who do have creative power and actual skills I don't understand that I don't I'm not sure I understand it either because it's difficult for me to put put myself in the mindset because I'm someone who believes in construction I I build things that's

what I do I buil cars I buil Rockets I buil you know satellite internet you know I've spent thousands of hours tens of thousands of of ours in in factories building up factories you know I also I I can't really put myself in the mind of of say someone who would want to do crime cuz I don't want to do crime yeah you know I don't want to hurt you know there there's some people who who enjoy hurting other people I don't enjoy hurting other people um so I have a hard time imagining why would somebody do that yes you know in an extreme case you you can't put yourself in the mind of like say Jeffrey dhama where where you're like a cannibalistic serial killer cuz you're not a cannibalistic serial kill right like I can't I don't get it you know it's not a fetish

you can Rel to not you know um I do think this is that in the sort of well-meaning sort of liberal mindset I know I've have many good friends who have you they're very they have deep empathy for their fellow human beings good and they they they care um and and and but the challenge that they have is that they've often grown up in a very sheltered existence where everyone around them is nice and civilized and they just really don't encounter people who are um have have uh uncontrolled violent tendencies uh or or like hurting people you know they've just always grown up in a sort of Kumbaya everyone is nice uh if commun situation um Minneapolis pre- riots yeah yeah I mean if you if you if yeah but but there's there's a small number of people it's like few

percent of society that um either can't have anger management issues that are so severe that they they they lose their temper and hurt or murder others um and there's very as small like I said it's not not a large number that that enjoy hurting other people and if you do not incarcerate them they will they will do that to they will they will hurt other people um and what I see is is what I call um shallow empathy like people have empathy for the criminals but not empathy for the victims of the criminals yes and so if you simply have and I believe one should have deep empathy to say like what is the greater good for society um is it better to incarcerate Violent criminals and prevent them from hurting people or to let them loose and allow those people

to be hurt and I think the latter is much worse you know my mom is my mom lives in New York and and it's my mom at this at this point is has gone from being Democrat to Republican and her her friends in New York uh are sh having the same experience because you know what'll turn you from a Democrat to a republican pretty fast is getting punched in the face while you walk down the street yes which for no reason yes and then and then and then no action being taken against those who hurt you and that happened to your mom not not to my mother but to three of her friends this year why would someone punch them in the face I don't know but that's I'm not a face puncher right no you know but if you walk around the Streets of San Francisco and many downtown so

they go go to downtown Philadelphia right now you know they call people homeless but but the homeless is the wrong term violent drug zombie yeah [Laughter] okay it's like you know you look at them you say like homeless is a misnomer it implies that someone got a little behind on their mortgage and if you just offer them a job they' be back on their feet yeah now but if if if you go look at downtown Philly or or San Francisco or parts of New York and actually most most downtown you what you actually have are violent drug zombies so they're like shuffling down the street with dead eyes you know and and and and and with like needles you know on the and human feces on the streets I you've been to downtown SF right have you seen this oh I was born there yeah

yeah yeah like one of the most beautiful cities in the world oh yes the greatest and now you have to step over the the drug needles and the feces and the bodies like one one couple I met the final straw full leaving San Francisco was there was a they came home uh one night and there was dead body in front of their garage they could could get their car and to can park their car the corpse yeah there's no street parking they're like there a corpse there's a corpse in front of the garage and I don't want to move the corpse you know because like well you know you don't you're like maybe this they need to like figure out why the guy died or something you know that's the that's liberal compassion though they're in a bit of a quandry because they they got no

place to park a car and they they feel that they shouldn't really move the dead body so they call 911 and I said this a dead body out outside our house um and um they said well said they the 91 San Francisco says well are are you in danger right now it's like well no he's dead pretty sure he's dead um and um they're like they're like okay we we'll send someone tomorrow to pick up the body like they'll ring tomorrow so so they're like going in another house while there's a dead body in front D in front of their house you know and like it like took them like 24 hours or something like that to eventually pick up the body and like this how was this we're leaving um and did they yes by way there's a million anecdotes like that oh I know I know but I just don't

think this is not rare it's well it's it's it's ubiquitous and so then you wonder like how can people still tell themselves they're compassionate if saying is that is that people really just need to think what like I believe in being compassionate about I believe that we should care about our fellow human beings um I think this is a good thing of course we should not we should not be we should not be selfish and not care about others we should care about others but we should just care about others All Things Considered uh like I said care not me just about the criminals it's just one layer deep um you should also care about the criminals victims yes yes well especially the criminals victims yes innocent people who get attacked and killed so I mean I've

got so many anot I mean um you know like like U uh about a year ago there were there were three uh ex or Twitter employees who were just um leaving the building walking down Mark Street in in San Francisco Mark Street used to be a beautiful wonderful Street obviously it's called Mark street because that's where the market was right now now sported up shop windows and stuff and uh and um they were chased by a guy with an axe who wanted they they they outran him and they reported hey there's a guy with an axe who who tried to try to kill us with an axe the police did nothing that guy with an axe subsequently murdered two people with an axe with the with the axe because eventually he's going to find somebody he can out run and he did so what I'm saying is

if you if you don't stop ax motor while while they're attempting to ax motor eventually they will succeed in ax motoring people if this goes on I mean that's such an obvious OB a seems obvious yes I think it is yeah that if you're in any way ating Axe Murder then you're really you're against civilization that's the way it looks to me I mean yeah I don't see I'm trying to understand motive here I can't relate like you but you're against the whole project if you're allowing that I guess is what I'm saying yeah I think we should um controversial position but I think we should arrest a murderers when they first attempt to ax Mur not after they've succeeded in doing so and I think we should assign at least some of the blame for the axe murderers are the people

who allowed allowed this guy to WAND around with an axe on Market Street trying to kill people yes yeah well you know this this whole movement to decriminalized crime oh I've noticed yes what is that Madness yeah uh like to make CRI crime crime legal like in California you can just steal things and nobody does anything um it's like fully legal to steal anything under $1,000 in California that's why they've got they now have to like lock up Goods Behind These like you know glass some plastic walls so you go into the supermarket and you can't even get like what toothpaste and and this has actually been particularly difficult on small mom and pop operations because they don't have the resources of a large corporation so it's put a lot of small businesses

out of just killed them so when you're a dinner parties and you make these points what do people say well actually I think I've been I've been able to persuade people that yeah we we we really um we we need to reverse course here I think I have actually been able to a number of people and I think there actually is a now a ballot on a California ballot initiative to re Rec criminalize uh theft theft right guys guys we there's a reason why we criminalized theft in the first place um so so and then amazingly I think Gavin Newsome was came out against that uh proposition yeah no honestly he's the goddamn Joker Gavin is like if it's like like from the like Batman Dark Knight The Joker is in charge of Gotham you remember like he took over New York basically

um and and and and the criminals Ram free and the citizens are arrested that's how that's California but but I mean at least there's a ballot initiative which I think will probably pass to say no you actually it is a crime to steal things people so you know Gavin you've got to know Gavin Newsome he knows I know Gavin Newsome you know everyone knows for a long time exactly so what is that and he doesn't seem crazy when you talk to him in person he's a perfectly nice guy like what why would he and he's not stupid why would he come out in favor of crime well his stated reason was that it would disproportionately affect uh uh people of color yeah well again that was his public statement right well that is one of those patronizing racist positions you described

at the outset obviously yeah I mean he's literally saying uh black people are and Hispanics are criminals yeah of course yeah yeah um no that's what he's saying that's what he's saying yeah yeah and by the way it is true that crime like that does increase distrust between races it actually gives rise to racism it's totally destructive of the social fabric I think but I'm but I'm asking like what do you think his real motive is like who's pushing him in favor of crime well I mean there's always the Soros boogy man um you know how real is that it's it's real I I don't think one can ascribe everything to Soros I mean's um and and George George himself is uh is I mean he's seen out at this point he's not yes not compis menus um so his his son Alex is in charge

um and um but but there is this whole system that sorus built up over many decades um you know and uh so so I guess sarus and like-minded people or whatever um you know they believe in open borders they they believe we shouldn't prosecute crime um this is insane the those seem like expressions of hatred toward the United States like I don't if I was pushing that on a country I would only do that if I hated the country and wanted to destroy it well it's anti-civilization I mean and sarus and similar and organizations have been pushing this in in Europe and other countries too yeah anyone who everywhere they can what's going on in Europe would you say Europe suddenly seems like like a different place well um I me my biggest concern for Europe is that the

birth rate is half replacement rate yes so um Europe is rapidly becoming uh with it each passing year um older and older with fewer and fewer young people um so I think at the at a most fundamental level unless Europe has a birth rate at least roughly equal to replacement rate um it is uh in population freefall population collapse is what's going on in Europe uh so um there's also like a shocking amount of censorship you may have seen like in uh you know Britain there I kid you not how can this be real they are releasing convicted pedophiles from prison in order to put people in prison for Facebook posts but to be fair those are posts that criticize the government so they have a good reason um well they actually some of these posts that I've at least

the ones I've seen didn't actually criticize the government or or or they they they were they were seen as as sort of as as hate speech right um so because they noticed the society getting crappier and crappier with every year and they said so yeah um I mean there were and this is this I'm simply stating a fact there were um migrant rape gangs in in England that would gangs that would run around and prey on young girls gang raped them and some people found that objectionable which I say it should be objectionable um and uh they were upset about that and so they complained about it online and were sent to prison that sounds crazy so it is crazy and that's like like what well it is so it kind of gets to the I mean you're an engineer so you're it is mindboggling

but it's the same you use the phrase mind virus but it it's behaving like a virus it's infecting people and making it impossible apparently for them to make rational what is that virus you know someone I think you should interview is uh Gods side uh I have oh you have yes oh I should watch that actually he's great yeah smart super smart guy yeah um and he uh he wrote a great book uh called um the parastic mind yes a very good book highly recommend it yes um which where he tries to understand how do you get to this parasitic mind situation um and he's writing a book now which hopefully he'll publish soon um which is about suicidal empathy where you have so much empathy you're actually suiciding Society or so much perceived empathy uh it's not actually

it shallow empathy not deep empathy deep empathy would be you'd want the society continue shallow empathy is is you have like empathy that's essentially skin deep and then you and and you don't it's but it's ultimately bad for civilization and results in the destruction of civilization um and God God side's got a good term for this suicidal empathy he going to sort of De deconstruct what's what's you know where does this come come from um and uh yeah I mean part of it I suppose is is is sort of the decline of religion um so you know as the saying goes nature ofo a vacuum so when you have uh essentially decline in religion an increase in the secular nature of society for most people they need something to fill that void and so they adopt a religion it's

not called a religion but like but effectively like woke the woke mind virus it's it's a it takes the place of religion yes um and they they they internalize it and they feel it with religious fervor yes uh so and rigidity yes yes and and they you know they they essentially conduct like a holy war effectively uh it it's just not called a religion but it is a religion sort of a work holy war and and they're highly resistant to change as is normal for for for religions now for myself I'm I'm I sort of see myself as a sort of you know engineer physicist for me um I'm culturally Christian I grew up Christ I mean I was Anglican was baptized you know um uh I was went to Sunday school yeah um actually odly enough I was sent to uh Hebrew preschool and anglica

Sunday school at the same time so it was harand Gila one day Jesus out low the next which is you know if you're 5 years old it's fine there's not there you know but I'm I'm not Jewish it's just that my my father's two partners in his engineering firm were were I they was went went to the same Hebrew preschool and and it was near our house so I just got sent there but but you know I I I I I you I I I maybe this will make me even more Ames but I I I have trouble sort of believing all these stories uh these religious stories uh but OB lot of people do um and uh I respect people who want to have religious views I'm not trying to dissuade them from their religious views but uh uh anyway I'm just saying I I guess the the operating system I have is is is a sort

of a physics engineering operating system where I I I try to understand as much as possible possible about reality uh you know in in physics you're you're not supposed to believe everything anything absolutely you're supposed to question things that's how you discover new physics you know in engineering that's how you discover if your machine will work or not work will the rocket get to orbit well you know yeah um you know if you if your rocket is uh designed with your physics in mind uh correctly it will get to orbit and if it is not it will not get to orbit uh no matter what your belief system is you can believe um you know whe yeah um you it's like like I meet a lot of people speaking of La I meet a lot of people in La who believe witchcraft is real

and then you can do spells and that Spells and Witchcraft magic is real I'm like can you magic us to the moon and no one has yet been able to Magic us to the Moon um well spells can't be that good okay if you can't I want to go to the Moon let's go how about Mars and um we we got to the moon the first time we definitely went to the moon I SW yes we went to the moon we didn't go to the Moon we went to the moon several times right oh yeah I just want to check your view on that we 100% went to the Moon I mean I I know in- depth the technical designs of the Rockets the spacecraft everything yes uh what went right what went wrong um it it was a remarkable piece of technology like incredible piece of technology for to go to the Moon in' 69 uh that that that

was uh like reaching into the future and pulling the future forward uh dramatically um and and it was an important ideological battle with Communism um at because they couldn't put a post on the moon and capitalism could