Twitter All-Hands

all right hello everyone thanks for joining this special q a session with elon elon thank you so much for joining us the company's been so eager to hear from you live and direct and we all appreciate you joining us uh today thanks for having me uh it's glad to be able to speak to everyone and since we started late i'm gonna go right right ahead hand it over to leslie so that she can moderate this q a session for us okay sounds good amazing thanks um we have a lot to cover a ton to cover so i am going to ask you a question that usually gets asked at the end which is you know you come back for a part two at some point if there are things that we don't cover oh yeah absolutely okay great okay so you have some breathing room so um i really do see this at

the beginning of a conversation obviously with the company at large and then also with teams and leaders over the next coming weeks and months and beyond so we're just getting started um okay so i'm going to zoom all the way out to the reason that we're actually here together today and that is because you love twitter um yes i want to be clear about that i love twitter in fact i literally have tweeted i love twitter you have so tell us say more why do you love twitter and also why did you and do you want to buy twitter well um let's see i mean i i find like i learn a lot uh from what i read on twitter and what i see on the um the pictures videos text and memes that people uh create um i also find it's a great way to get a message out or if i want to if

i want to say something make an announcement um i think twitter's the best way to do that um it just goes out immediately to everyone um and um you know i i sort of made this joke already but uh you know some people use their hair to express themselves i use twitter so um you know i i find it's uh yeah um the best uh forum for communicating with um a lot of people simultaneously um and getting that message directly to people um you know in the past you have to in order in order for somebody to to read about something you have to issue a press release or and then you hope that the regular media would write about the press release and then they wouldn't write about it in quite the way you'd like to write about it um i always found those like about old-style

press releases kind of oddly like really quite strange because you're writing a press release about yourself which is sort of uh something that the media it's like it's overly some overly flattering it's like mainly sort of you know propagandist in fact quite propagandist um and then hope that the media writes something favorable which they usually do not um and you know i think that that actually is maybe one of the biggest reasons for me using twitter is so i can talk and communicate directly with people and not through the lens of the media um and you know i think there's obviously an important role for the media to play but uh as anyone knows who reads the newspaper uh it's coming through quite a negative lens so you know i have to say how many newspaper

articles do you read that are positive and how many news articles do you read that are negative what percentage are positive what percentage negative and then when you read about it you know it's obviously overwhelmingly negative um and then when you when you read about something in um this newspaper was a dated term uh in the news um that you where you actually personally understand the situation how many times has have the media gotten it right well i would say almost never not never but almost never so uh you know it's this is a a way to for for people to communicate directly with each other um and not through a negative lens and um i think that's extremely important for the world so i'm sort of going waxing on about this but i think it's pretty important

um and um you know that the that sort of like some of my comments about twitter being sort of like a digital town square um but really much more than that because you know you can't put that many people in town square but you have to communicate with millions of people on twitter um that's just an incredibly important thing and i think it's it's essential for a functioning uh democracy or to to function well i think it's essential to have a free speech um and for and to be able to communicate yeah just communicate freely um now the you know the the priests speech stuff this needs to be you know it's free speech within within the context of the law so it's not i'm not definitely not suggesting that we you know um just flout the law because they hope it

will get shut down in that case um and and i think there's also um this freedom of speech and freedom of reach and uh your freedom of speech is one thing because like anyone could just go into the middle of times square right now and say anything they want they just walk into the middle of times square and deny the holocaust okay you can't stop them they will just do that but that doesn't mean you have to that needs to be promoted to millions of people um so um so i think people should be allowed to say you know pretty outrageous things that are within the balance of the law but but then they don't you know it doesn't get amplified it doesn't get you know a ton of reach um and um i think an important goal for twitter it would be to try to include as as

much of the country as much of the world as possible um so currently you know it's a it's a relatively small percentage of the world that is it is a small percentage of what that is uh on twitter if you say like daily active users if you assume that that's say 200 million um you've got you know eight billion people on earth that's a 7.

8 billion who are not on twitter so that's a pretty big number um and really i think you want as many as much as possible on twitter you want to be as inclusive as possible uh the broadest demographic um and for that to happen people must like being on twitter so if they're being like harassed or if they're uncomfortable uh they're just not gonna use twitter and they're you know so you know we yeah we have to sort of strike this balance of you know allowing people to say what they want to say but but but also making people comfortable on on twitter uh well they simply won't use it it will be you know it'll be sort of quite niche um but i think there's also a lot of a lot that should be done in terms of enhancing the core technology and offerings of twitter

um like right now if somebody does uh say a video like let's say a content creator does a video then they're gonna put that video on on youtube and and just like put a link to it from twitter because they're able to monetize their content on youtube but not on on twitter and i think it's going to be really important for if you want people put the content on on twitter which we do um then it has to be a mechanism for content creators to monetize that that content and so they could make a dual post so they could post it to youtube and to enter twitter but i think it's crazy right now that you know uh content creators will use twitter to to drive traffic to their youtube video of because you know that's how they make a living um and and that really should

be on on twitter um like we want to basically address the reasons that people like why why aren't more people using twitter and why do people click away from twitter and if we can um address those reasons then then there will be they'll use twitter more and they'll get greater value from the for you know from the service and um and and uh you know if but if i um you know think of like like wechat in china which is actually a great great app um but there's no wechat booklet in uh outside of china and i think that there's a real opportunity to create that um sort of you know you basically live on wechat in china so um because it's so useful and and uh you know so so helpful to your daily life um and i think if we achieve that or even get close to that with

twitter be an event a success um hopefully that that is that's you know really i really went on there but um i don't have to elaborate on any of those points yeah no it's great and we're gonna get a little bit deeper on free speech and policy a little bit later so i do want to come back to this actually um but in terms of you you clearly have a lot of thoughts around sort of the problems with twitter the things that aren't working well or the barriers to what's possible um how do you see your buying the company is that was that sort of feed your desire to buy the companies or how do you see these things um sort of come together and what like how what's your thought process around that um well there's definitely um an ongoing challenge or twitter with

um with bot what accounts and spam accounts um you know there's still quite a lot of crypto scams on twitter um it's gotten like it's been better but this looks still a fair bit of that um there are also people where they're not necessarily bots but they might be operating you know one person's operating hundreds of accounts um and trying to make you try trying to make them look like individuals but they're not so um you know i think it's and i a lot of stuff kind of reiterating stuff that i said publicly but and in fact on twitter um uh the in order for people to have trust in twitter i think it's extremely important that there be transparency so that's why i'm an advocate of having the algorithm be open source so people can uh critique it improve it

identify bugs potentially or bias but what is transparent transparency it constantly increases trust um so i think it's just um a very important like that yeah any anything that's happening on an automated basis be um open source and be uh you know clear and that if there is any action taken by someone within twitter to um you know uh deep boost or d boost or something with a tweet that it's just very clearly identified on the tweet so people aren't um you know subscribing to malice that which is not the way where there's no malice um so um but when when it's inscrutable then people don't know what to think and they will sometimes think the worst uh when when that's actually not true so i think that price is extremely important and and then just for the

usefulness of the system um get getting rid of of um sort of troll farms and and advanced and spam is incredibly important um i'm going to have a thought in this regard which i think um is is might work which is to you know there's currently just twitter blue but if you hit twitter blue it doesn't your identification in the system does not change at all like you still look like a normal user id but i think if if there was like a little you know twitter blue authenticated not like authenticated like a celebrity but authenticated at least by twitter blue payments um just using the paper pay your banking on the payment system to your authentication um that i think a lot of people will be like okay that's that's uh that's pretty helpful to have some designation

that is next to my name um that indicates i'm i'm probably not a bot or spam or one of one person who's operating out of accounts um and um you know that's like three bucks a month i believe i think that would be pretty helpful and then uh and then also prioritizing uh comments and um you know mentions and whatnot by who is verified in this broader sense the word of verification in the sense of you know that you're twitter blue verified um and just prioritize yeah like um that above someone who's not not verified so there'll still be full read access to the system so people write access to a system but but instead but you essentially uh um any uh any tweets or our actions will be prioritized according to who's verified and then a very large number of

people can be verified i'm going to have a couple of follow-up questions on this specifically but given you mentioned trust i wanted to ask one of the employee questions around trust um they said twitter has a lot of incredible smart talented people what can we do to earn your trust and what are you going to do to earn ours um you know i think uh i know trust is as trust does um so um you know the i i tend to be extremely literal in what i say um so you know i aspirationally one does not need to read between the lines one can simply read the lines um and uh so the things that i said about twitter i think are need to happen um in order for it to be um you know to really go to the next level i mean i think like the potential is there for twitter to have

and you know be accessible to an order bank to more people um and for a lot more people to find it useful um not you know currently i guess would be like four or four percent of the world or something like that i don't know i said four or five percent of the world optimistically is finding twitter useful and like maybe 50 percent of the world could find twitter useful um so i want to take whatever actions um would lead to that and um you know the uh you know i'm very much like uh it's it's just as i wouldn't say essentially a trust thing it's like if somebody's getting useful things done um then that's great and but if if they're not getting useful things on them like okay why are they at the company um so it's really just um like we need to improve the

course technology uh improve the design um and [Music] you know so trust emerges from that yeah i mean trust that yes it's not it's like you know if somebody's getting stuff done great i love them and if they're not i don't like that then i do not it's pretty straightforward can we i would like to stay on this topic of employees and how we work um so distributed work is something that has been core to our strategy um most of our people work in a hybrid model about 1500 people work remote full-time um we know that you recently made you know sent a communication to tesla executives about remote work can you share what your point of view is on remote work and specifically for twitter yeah so now tesla makes cars and you cannot make cars remotely um obviously

they're they're you have to make cars in a big factory um and the supply chain and and you know and you have to bring in the parts and you know assemble them and then transport the car to the owner um all of these things must be done in person because they're just it's physically impossible to do them remotely now there are some roles at tesla where what can be can be done remotely like say software or design um and uh it's so that you know i think that's still a case where you want to aspire to do things in person um but if somebody is exceptional at their job then it's possible for them to be effective even working remotely so uh with with tesla i simply have asked for a list um you know that the manager has to confirm that that they're um they're an

excellent contributor and if they do they're allowed to work remotely um so it's pretty basic i think um there isn't there is a hit one takes remotely because the they've just reduced esprit de corps and you know it's like it's hard to you know like get like if you just there's there's really it really it kind of matters to be in person um at least some of the time so like one of the things he said even if somebody's working remotely they're going to show up at the office occasionally so that they recognize their colleagues and don't have you know you have to walk down the street and pass your colleague and and they're you don't even recognize them that would not be good yeah no i think this is this is super clarifying and resonates with us and entirely

in terms of how we work so thank you for for clarifying that topic is really important to us um i would like to keep on the topic of employees and some of the questions that have come through um this one's on on compensation and benefits most people especially obviously here are used to working for a public company um can you talk a little bit about how you compensate folks at spacex as a private company how does it work and what approach you plan to take at twitter as a private company yeah so um spacex i think operates in the best of both worlds where uh stock and options are issued to everyone but um we don't have all the challenges being publicly traded company where the stuff could be up and down from one day to the next would be quite a distraction

um and where one is at the mercy of short sellers and um class action lawsuits and just generally it's like being in the stockades of public stockade and they should throw tomatoes at you all day um so but spacex still allows liquidity and and so every every six months this liquidity event at spacex and people have the opportunity to sell their shares um and that's worked very well uh for the whole life of the company so i think something like that would make sense at twitter so it still be stocking options everything and it just be liquidity events twice a year great and thanks we are getting some real-time feedback on the remote work questions i just want to make sure i follow up um your approach to remote work and distributed work at twitter you are

that what i'm hearing from you is that you are supportive of remotely distributed work as as it is productive and meaningful people show up when it's important and depending on their jobs is that an accurate reflection yeah i mean the bias definitely needs to be strongly towards working in person um but but if somebody is uh exceptional then um remote work can be okay um but then if basically if they're if their work output is exceptional then remote work is is fine there is some communication uh you know impact that one takes when working remotely because if you're with people you know that and they're just you know a few desks away it's very easy to communicate in real time uh but it's much harder to do that if you're in different physical locations

so i do want to emphasize that the bias is very much uh towards in-person work it's it's just but it would obviously be insane if someone is uh excellent what they do but can only work remotely to then fire them even though they're doing excellent work would be insane so i'm definitely not in favor of like things that are like mad um i'm in favor of things that that build the business and make it better thank you um question about layoffs um we've received several questions from employees on this point um obviously they've read about the recent playoffs at tesla um can you speak to how you're thinking about layoffs on twitter well i think it depends on um you know the company does need to be to get healthy so i mean right now the the costs exceed the

revenue so that's just that's not that's not a great situation to be in um and so i don't have to be some rationalization of of the of headcap and expenses to have revenue be greater than cost otherwise twitter is simply not not viable or you know can't grow um so [Music] yeah i think it would just be dependent on you know but when i said that anyone who's like obviously like a significant contributor should have nothing to worry about like i'm i i'm not you know i do not take actions which are destructive to the health of the company um so you know um yeah elon question connected to that as you're obviously learning and gaining information as we get closer to this deal being closed um what do you feel that you have sort of a deep understanding and grasp

of and what are the areas that you feel you want to dive much more deeper on to understand and learn well i certainly i mean i have a strong a great understanding of the product because i i use twitter um every day practically um and you know i think i've got a really good understanding of of um you know how twitter works from a product standpoint um what i have less understanding of is you know um you know like like this this uh sort of bot spam or or you know multi-user account basically anything that that affects the monetizable daily user number is that that's probably my biggest concern um because that's really what drives advertising revenue at as well as subscription revenue um so um and really the twitter's your revenues is gonna be subscription

um advertising i think payments would be an interesting thing to do um as well um but uh but all of those things are are only relevant for as a function of how many uh unique humans are on the system so [Music] it's that's that's the that's the most that's my that's my biggest concern and that's what's you know what i said publicly as well um like i said i try to be as literal as possible um so um and yeah yeah and as we think about obviously the product and the service and serving customers all around the world clearly um it's critical and extension essential for us to serve diverse communities um and all people as you said as you said earlier so inclusion diversity is obviously core essential to our work at twitter both our employees and the customers

that we serve um you've been vocal on a variety of different topics and issues that relate to inclusion and diversity can you talk about your qual for your views and also your commitment to creating a diverse and inclusive workplace and also a service where everyone can feel included safe uh yeah i mean well it's to be clear um you know if everyone talks about the you know as i said about twitter as a whole like there's eight billion people in the world um there's sort of um i'm told there's 200 million um you know daily users of twitter that's a 7.

8 billion person gap um so i think we really want to have you know i don't know at least a billion people on twitter maybe more um as many people as you can possibly get on twitter so that i think is the most inclusive definition of inclusiveness it's like all humans so um you know that's uh that's important um you know from a company standpoint you know i believe in something in a sort of strict meritocracy so whatever uh you know whoever's doing great work great you know they they get more responsibility authority um and that's that and i know we you mentioned in in some of our conversations about your ind team at tesla we have an amazing id team here here at twitter as well so um continue on the journey on the journey together um i wanted to talk about

content moderation go back to a number of things that you said earlier um so this one i'll take um i'll take verbatim so you've spoken a lot about the importance of free speech let's start with the u.

s where we have a strong tradition around this and you talk you've touched on this earlier a lot of what's called lawful but awful speech is allowed here in the united states right animal abuse footage doxxing videos of sexual violence etc um so along allowing this kind this type of content obviously could cause harm um and make you know twitter unusable for for the broad audience that that you're trying to reach um what is your approach to this type of content that's sort of legal um but problematic as it relates to people actually using the service how do you think about this tension um as i said earlier really it's like i think people we should allow people to say what they want post what they want to put in the balance of the law um but that that

that's different from them being able to reach people who don't want to be reached with that content so if that content is offensive then um two two people they will those who will not will simply stop using twitter so uh it's important to uh make twitter as attractive as possible and really that that means not showing people content that they would find uh painful or offensive or or even frankly content they would find boring is not good so we don't want them to see boring content um unless we were talking about uh tick tock last night and uh tick tock obviously just like like a great job of making sure you are not bored um i mean if this does like feel like 80d but like next level but um but tick tock does a great job of of making our board i mean i

i i do find some other videos offensive i think um but they're not boring um so the the folks we are like how do we ensure people have content that is that they find entertaining and engaging and interesting um such that they want to keep using twitter and use it more so that's uh you know uh that's what that that's essential to the growth of the service and one of our employees asked about sort of people who use twitter having the right and the ability to filter out content that they don't want to see i think this gets to exactly what you're what you're pointing to um yeah yeah i mean to be clear it's like like the the standard is much more than not offending people the standard should be that they're they're very entertained and informed like this because

like so like you could not offend someone but you'll support them and show them a bunch of content that they don't find interesting and then they will not use the service or they will use it less um so um that's why i use the example of tick tock where they they just hold an algorithm to be as engaging as possible um and i think we want to also hold it to be as engaging as possible in a different way i think um you know that's that's like tick tock is interesting but like you want to be informed about like serious issues as well um and um i think twitter in terms of like serious issues can be a lot better you know informing people about serious issues um i do think it's important that that there be you know if there are two sides to an issue it's important

to represent you know if there are multiple opinions but you know and just make sure that we're not sort of uh driving a narrative um but they'll be give people an opportunity to understand the the various science missions most issues in the world are are complex they they are they're not they're boiled down to a simple this is this is 100 good and this is 100 bad um so i think it would be uh it would be it would have a more informed public if if people presented with multiple sites to an issue one point i just want to go back to on sort of uh the law and sort of how that how that in fact impacts content and moderation as we think globally around the world there are some countries right that limit that have laws that limit speech um and sometimes actually

use these laws to silence disagreement with the government et cetera you're talking about different points of view so twitter is historically focused on doing what we can do to enable people everywhere to have their voices um how do you think about that as it relates to again like the local laws and what that means well i mean i i'm in favor of doing you know of going as far as the law will allow us if the law you know if say 200 employees would get arrested in the country if we if we didn't adhere to the law then we would also adhere to the law or uh exit the country or something um so um but i mean as much as we can enable people to have a voice and um and to speak their mind i think we want it we want to do that um yeah um and i know we talked about

this as well last night about the teams doing this work and your desire to connect with those teams and sort of understand sort of where we've been where we are where we're going um and i think that would be hugely productive um across the board both ways um can we talk uh briefly about your political views um how if all if at all do your political views play into the leadership of the companies that you currently run how would it affect twitter if at all well my my political views i think are moderate at least as would be you know as if you said like what is the center of the normal distribution of political abuse in the country i think i'd be pretty close to the center um you know i i voted democrat um every election until this recent one this week

um and uh and then i voted for mayor flores who's a republican um she was um uh mexican american and um i thought a good candidate and and was voting for so um but i i you know i i'm in favor of uh of moderate politics um but but you know allowing people who have like uh you know relatively extreme views to um you know to express those views with it within the bounds of the law um so that's you know you know as i said like the i think if the let's say the far left 10 and far right 10 were equally upset on twitter then that would probably be a good outcome i want to um just talk about our business um for a minute you've spoken about incentives um that the ad business creates for services like twitter um what role does advertising play in the future of

your business plan for the company i think advertising is is very important for twitter so in the case of say tesla spacex there's is there's no need for advertising because the demand exceeds um our production so um i mean advertising is fundamentally a demand generator um and occasionally you want to get some other message out there but it's it's fundamentally a demand generator so um given that that tesla demand is far in excess of production uh there's no need for tesla to advertise um but uh you know i'm not against advertising um i i would i would uh probably i don't want to talk to the advertisers and say like hey let's let's make sure the ads are as entertaining as possible um that i think they're more effective if they're entertaining um like

you want sort of you don't want to be strident or spammy and they add and then of course i don't think it's good to allow advertising of any products which are you know uh bad products you know like like um i was literally scammed on it i bought this thing off of a youtube ad and it doesn't work um and then i i just googled it and it's like oh yeah once you click on the second page of google search results it's like yeah this product totally does work and it's trash um and i'm like well what the hell's you youtube allowing advertising of the of scammy products that's totally not cool um so you know like and i just i think if if you if the advertising is entertaining interesting um it's something you might actually want uh and the product would be cool

you know fulfilling to the you know to the twitter user then i think that's great advertising um so yeah so you know we're going to go over is that okay oh yes awesome thank you um can you talk a little bit about twitter and payments um you mentioned this a few times at different settings let's uh understand your thinking there yeah i think um you know money is essentially a form of information so um uh you know it's information that allows us to exchange products and services without having to to barter and and allows the people to shift obligations in time um but but money is fundamentally digital at this point and it has been for a while and um you know paypal you know i think has um done done a great job on the payments front um i think it's it's

it would make sense to integrate payments into twitter um so that's easy to send money back and forth um uh you know and and fiat currency as well as crypto um you know and i said essentially whatever somebody would find useful so like i said i think the goal my goal would be to to maximize the usefulness of the of the uh service um the more useful it is uh the better and if one can use it to make convenient payments that that's an increase in usefulness um it you know it's sort of it's sort of news uh entertainment and payments i think are like three critical areas um but really it's just about sort of thinking about how how to make this how to make using twitter so compelling that you can't live without it and that and that everyone wants to use i it

to stay on the product i know you again you did such about this earlier but it's um a recurring question around the authentication piece um you know in terms of yours and you you want to authenticate all humans so so just to sort of double click into that you know balancing this with those who benefit from anonymity right from safety perspective especially for example human rights activists and marginalized communities so it's sort of um can you just clarify again and speak to that sort of that tension and how you think about about those groups specifically sort of core to have the service yeah yeah i i don't think um it's necessary for someone to use their real name um so if one say does a famous base authentication um i think it should be okay to not

use your real name on twitter so twitter would would know who would know who you are at least from a payment standpoint but um but you would not have to state your real name or anything um that's obviously important where if if someone has different political views from their manager let's say then they they don't really want to you know uh get crosswise there and so that it'd be better for them to um you know have a pseudonym um on twitter um but but it's still fit back handle dedicated and like i said this is no point would um i suggest that you have to be authenticated in order to use twitter it's just that it would just be a prioritizing authenticated uh comments um and actions on twitter over unauthenticated um in order to combat uh the sort of bots

and trolls and essentially like it needs to be much more expensive to to have a troll army um whereas right now it's it's basically very inexpensive to have a hundred thousand paid twitter accounts and you have you have certainly been very vocal on twitter you are very vocal on twitter and um often your tweets and even emojis create news cycles um you know you have been also critical of the company um on twitter which obviously impacts lots of discussions conversations and perceptions from whether it be partners or even our employees um how do you think about these tweets um do you look at the reaction about the reaction of those these tweets and just curious or the thinking behind the tweet if you will well i think that it would be helpful you know i

think one thing about words is that it's hard to convey tone um and so it's possible for um essentially people will sometimes like take take the words and then assume they were said in maybe an angry way or um you know an addictive way or something like that um but i mean although you can tell like my normal tone is not uh i'm not i'm not an angry person i almost never raised my voice so um like in a year i might not have raised my voice literally um so this is not um you know so sometimes people may think oh wow he's sort of yelling screaming or something but i'm really not um uh so make some way to indicate tone i mean emojis sort of do that um but i don't know maybe there could be like a where you [Music] have like a i don't know um irony flag or something

um this is like this is an ironic you know it's an ironic tweets or something like that um listen i think i think spaces is a great product for you as well which i don't think i've seen you use before but i think that would add sort of your your literal voice over um and color some of the things that you tweet so maybe you cannot sort of oh sure [Music] i should i should yeah maybe i could just say it yeah exactly exactly or you could you could read it but then you can also see how i would have said it like when you you know you're like i wonder if you said that in an angry way and then you can see how i actually said it yes absolutely absolutely that'd be a new thing um on your um i know we have i'm gonna only push you about 10 more minutes um up at

the hour so i'm holding you until then um your your role at the company um you know there's been some discussion about will you be a ceo will you not be ceo how what can you speak to this and how do you anticipate your role sort of influencing strategy day-to-day division well i guess i'm i'm not that hung up on titles but uh i i do want to um drive the product in a particular direction um so you know it's it could be like i don't really care what you know about being ceo in fact uh i i i renamed myself techno king at tesla um with an official sec filing um so um yes we saw yeah and and then our cfo was renamed master of coin which i think is a cooler thing than cfo um so um the i mean the what i really just want to do is is like drive the product to

improve the product and then it's like basically a software and product design you know so um you know i don't mind doing other things you know related to operating a company but there are kind of chores there's a lot of chores to the ceo um and uh i i really just want to make sure that the the rapidly and in a good way um and um i don't really care what title is but um but i do obviously people do need to listen to me uh if i say like hey we need to make part improve production like i'm falling away make the following changes um uh at these features uh then you know like can't you expect that that that people listen to me um in this regard and i mean that's how i that's what i do at spacex and tesla so um you know i i'm really just working with really

engineering and production um and um like it sometimes may seem like wow he's really out there a lot but actually i'm not if you see how many actual interviews do i do it's quite a small number um but uh when if i do a tweet they'll like make an entire like two-page article about it you know um so i'm like like basically far furious i'm like actually quite internally focused at spacex and tesla even though it may not seem that way um and it's really just you know evolving the rocket technology uh with spacex and providing global internet with starling and then tesla it's about accelerating sustainable energy um and you know with electric cars and stationary battery packs and solar power and um you know the fundamental good of tesla i would say is measured

by um how many years did we accelerate the advantage of sustainable energy uh and then the fundamental good of spacex is uh you know are we able to make life multi-planetary um and thus improve the probable lifespan of of uh consciousness um but you always say like what what is a unifying philosophy uh for me it is uh we should take the set of actions most likely to uh extend the scope scale and lifespan of consciousness as we know it um and uh you know so that's like like what what set of actions improve things at a civilizational level um and improve a probable lifespan of civilization um like hospitalization will come to an end at some point but let's try to make it last as long as possible um and it would be great to understand more about the nature

of the universe uh why we're here the meaning of life where are things going where we come from um can we travel to other star systems and see if there are any alien civilizations that there might be there might be a whole bunch of long dead one planet civilizations out there that that existed you know 500 million years ago um if you think about the hispanic human civilization from the advent of the first writing it's only about five thousand years which is nothing um you know earth is roughly four and a half billion years old so um the old civilization as measured from the adventure writing is a flash in the pan and uh i think we want to take whatever actions we can to extend that flash in the pan to hopefully be a plane that lasts a long time i can't

believe that's the transition from aliens away from away from this conversation back to uh to twitter what what i'm just saying it's aliens but yes what does twitter look like to you all right i gotta stop trolling people about the alien stuff because people really think i i i to be clear i've i've seen no evidence uh what i've seen no actual evidence for aliens i get asked that a lot um and i think i know and i've not seen anything um yet okay you've heard it here everybody um question about twitter when you look um five to ten years from now what do you consider successful for yourself in in acquiring the company and for all of us and the work that we do what does success look like yeah so i think um success would be um a is a substantial increase in

daily active users um you know i don't like said if uh you know can you can we get uh daily active users over a billion that would be you know it's still only one eighth of us uh but that would be a huge improvement from where things are today um and uh you know and and i guess broadly speaking like is twitter helping um further civilization and consciousness um you know like are we it's just twitter i'm not we're not saying transactions are complete so i shouldn't say we but um but like on is twitter contributing to a a um a stronger longer lasting civilization where we're better able to understand the nature of reality um i would say like my philosophy is one of curiosity of trying to understand the nature of the universe in as much as possible to understand

um so in order to understand the nature of the universe we must expand the scope and scale consciousness to extend the life of consciousness uh so i like i guess broadly speaking would be has twitter meaningfully improved um the strength and longevity of civilization i know that we have gone meaningfully over so first of all thank you so much for the time thank you for coming back for a part two thank you for continuing um the conversation with all of us all right you're welcome thank you so much we'll talk very soon all right thanks bye thank you bye everybody [Music] you