Twitter Spaces Interview

Kanye so that would that was definitely exciting me to violence so uh anyway that's not cool ladies and gentlemen Elon Musk has just hopped off a two-hour Twitter spaces discussion slash interview where he shared his thoughts and opinions on all kinds of stuff super juicy very spicy topics everything from Big Tech collusion with government censorship freedom of speech his true intentions with Twitter his workload I mean literally everything you can imagine including a lot of very controversial and spicy takes right in this video I've cut out nearly half an hour literally over 27 minutes of silence just trying to condense this it's going to be all over the place there's interruptions there's some audio challenges along the way but I thought I'd post this

unfiltered to you guys the girls can take the time to watch it YouTube gives you the option of playing back at a higher playback speed than one time so I might save a few of you a little bit of time not gonna add any commentary along the way I just wanted to put this up because I'm not sure if people will be able to replay this Twitter spaces it was so incredibly important really listen through the entire thing you'll learn a ton the best part about this despite people talking over each other a little bit I'm like the sound bites in the media this is a deep and nuanced discussion including elon's true intentions for the purchase of Twitter and some of his plans for the turnaround of course if you appreciate this video and want loads more content head

over to patreon with the card in the corner or the link at the pin comment you definitely won't be disappointed actually that's a lie if you're a snowflake you get easily butt hurt you probably won't be disappointed but you will be mad and you'll probably Rage Quit within a few days otherwise see you over on patreon enjoy the show Kanye so that would that was definitely exciting me to buy so uh anyway that's not cool but you mentioned in a good way well no it's just that like it just makes it like an analysis of the second world war or something you know uh that's a history that's a history drama or whatever you know it's context it's like it's like okay you know like let's live a battlefield or something and that's good you know this this you know uh

some sort of you know uh War history thing I don't know you know something like that then that that would be okay but um yeah it has to become sexual I mean if he's posting it in a way that is trying to Rally people to anti-semitic views then yeah yeah I mean it's like you can also like say like okay well let's look for added context outside of Twitter to say to say like well was this man in a in a friendly way and it's like okay well no he's saying that he likes Hitler and uh other things and look at the point of which Alex Jones is like telling Kanye to to calm down and and you know please please stop you have to say okay you know Alex Jones is pretty edgy so uh Alex Jones is saying Kanye wants to Kanye to stop that's that's a big deal so anyway the

uh but I want to get into like some sort of huge like this could easily get derailed into you know a laborious dude yeah talk more about the file so you mentioned that you gave it to a very wise right so she has full access does this mean that we are going to see multiple exposes not just uh once we met taibi yeah the the point is to as is to just have everything come clean so the thing is that like it's not that uh people would necessarily agree with everything that Twitter has done in the past or in the future but they should at least know that it is occurring and there's no Shady stuff that is uh happening that they're unaware of so then at least if if quarter is explicit about its actions and transparent you can then approach appropriately calibrate

uh your interpretation of what you learn on Twitter um as opposed to thinking you know Twitter pretending to be unbiased and and even-handed a good way to get everyone to agree with all the actions that Twitter will take that's impossible uh that there's a that is a null Set uh but what it is possible to do is to have be fully transparents give me a break oh you're back he's back you dropped out for a bit yeah can you hear me can you hear us it's not it's still glitching a bit can you hear me I'm about to take off yeah it's good yeah Verizon commercial really quick I just wanted to ask you one really quick if there's any way to combine Twitter's efforts with people who have gone you know as far as filing constitutional challenges is there any way to get

them in touch with Matt and combine the efforts there uh possibly I'd reach out to Matt um and I mentioned I've also asked Barry Weiss to you know also uh you know active interact I just gave Barry Wise access to the Twitter files like an hour ago you know I think at some point it might make sense to just have them publicly available um you know so that anyone can look at them a quick a quick side question did they don't care anything we're aiming for is that you know anything bad that Twitter's done in the past that that it'd be surfaced so as to uh instill trust about Twitter in the future and where I may have blanked out a moment ago is uh that it is impossible to for a footer to take only take take the set of actions that will satisfy all people or

probably even 1900 people all right but what sort of can do that that is completely transparent about attention and what's what what is it doing what is it not doing how does the algorithm work and and if an account is suspended why is it suspended if an account is de-boosted uh just showing that as an individual search brand uh and and giving a reason for that um so that there's maximum transparency in the system um so even if you disagree with what's going on on Twitter you at least can caliber what you learn on Twitter based on on what Twitter is doing not not not not have a situation where Twitter is claiming to be fair and even-handed and then actually is is not being so at least from from your perspective so do you have plans Elon to take Twitter

public again in the future so Tara's asking by the way James Wood I've sent you an invite real James would have sent you an invite check your DMs uh Tara's asking if you have any plans to take um Twitter public again and my question I'll give you another question as well my question is what type of pressure if any have you faced since releasing the files did you hear me Elon it sounds like he's testing the new semi truck himself [Laughter] I moved a couple of people down so we have a we can have a more uh civil you know conversation without too many speakers on stage because there are a couple of important questions that I want to ask you uh the first one is you know obviously with your move of full transparency you are putting the groundworks in place

to uh justify why free speech on Twitter is so important and why you are making the decisions uh you know of for example a great amnesty for all users and you know by by showing that abuse has happened in the past and that Twitter before it was under your control was abusing their power you're basically setting the stage to say okay people should all have their their rights unless they broke the law are restored to be on Twitter is that right uh yeah I mean yes that that is the intent um now to be clear we're all going to be doing this sort of slowly and deliberately if this can't be a like uh you know let's open all the jails simultaneously and and uh have at it guys so it's it's gonna be you know slower than people would like it's more deliberate um

I I do have a lot of [ __ ] going on right now so I can imagine no I'm trying to do the most that blind I'm flogging my human brain as far as most amount of work done but like this week alone you know we had a meeting with some National Security uh Starling is also failing yeah two months instead of one month that's a good timeline and also I gotta make sure Twitter is like uh stable from a financial standpoint and it's not losing tons of money and goes bankrupt in which case a little bit you know juggling a lot of things here say the least um but I think over time uh which not that long of a time iterative iteratively we can move Twitter to be a more broadly inclusive in the third like as many people as possible can participate um and one to participate

um and and as trusted and transparent as possible and and the proof will be in the pudding over time and we're not going to please everyone obviously that's impossible because you know if you say like what are the requests of everyone you have a Venn diagram intersection of zero but but what can be done is maximum transparents what uh what can be done is uh making it clear when uh something has been de-boosted or search banned when your account is shares band and why that account has been suspended to be clear about why and whether it's temporary or what the path is to restore the account uh and and just I think that's that's something that uh can be done and and will massively help with trust and uh in addition to now there's obviously a challenge that

Twitter's had over time and I think this is generally an issue with social media which is that it is digital technologies that require a lot of software to be written and they've sort of come out of Silicon Valley um almost ultimate selling silica Valley with uh except for Snappers in La which is California but but effectively what is happening is um an export of the moral framework of San Francisco to Earth kind of a big deal and problematic because previously you know San Francisco which is uh you know pretty far left but the the influence would be limited to San Francisco but now it's it's it affects the whole world because of the centralization of information with social media company and that's I think not good it's it's uh you know so it's we need

to establish something that is fair and and takes into account a wide range of views and and doesn't have a Tilson playing field towards uh far left uh far far left in San Francisco um I think there should be a place for the you know they they can be on Twitter too but there should be a wide range of political views and sentiments and and uh and as much as reasonably possible aim for for freedom of speech yeah and and generally I want Twitter to be a forceful good for the future of civilization so that's that's the case you don't can you tell us approximately how much time you have so that we can uh get an idea how many questions we can get in I don't know like maybe half an hour or so nice oh that's fantastic that's very good hey um what I also see Happening

Here is that the mainstream media that um was part of covering up this uh Hunter Biden laptop story because I was calling is now calling this um you know some kind of fizzer that they they don't think that there's enough uh you know obviously they are acting in that way because they themselves are now uh on fire because you have exposed what they have done um what what do you have to say to them I'm sorry could you repeat the question again I'm in the air so this is like not it's not super optimal from an audience what what do you have to say to the media that's sort of downplaying uh what the uh the Twitter files uh represents the question yeah uh yeah so he's he's asking you what do you have to say to the media that's downplaying the uh the Twitter

files Revelations you know because they're they're basically saying it's not a big deal that it's nonsense you know that it's just it's just crap that you're just doing this for PR what's your response to them yeah the amazing having connection issues with you specifically Ian there's certain people up here that I yeah can John ask your question again first Elon can you hear us no I think you can't hear anybody I don't I don't know if it's me so he's he's either in a semi truck or he is on his plane he said he said he's on his Lane yeah foreign story is now trying to downplay your release um obviously because they are Under Fire as well right because they have been exposed by this uh by this release what do you want to say to them what do you want to

say to the media that is trying to turn this into another Burger well that try to turn it into another Burger because they were complicit in leaving the American public um and so rather than admit that they they lie to the public they're trying to pretend that this is a nothing Burger obviously that's that's clearly what happened yeah I mean shame on them yeah I agree with that and then the other important thing here is that you are basically exposing collusion between a political party and uh in one file that was released it was even it called the Biden team contacting Twitter I mean that is election interference isn't it yeah I mean I clearly if if Twitter is doing one before an election shutting down dissenting voices um on a pivotal election that

is the very definition of election interference and what the hell else would you of course it's like yes um frankly Twitter was acting like an arm of the Democratic National Committee it was absurd well and you know that's fantastic that you're releasing that but isn't Twitter just the tip of the iceberg can't we uh admit now that this would have happened and all big tech companies that are you know being used to stifle free speech and sense of people and try to you know destroy stories that are dangerous to their political goals no I mean what collusion is insane like Twitter is the one company that isn't isn't that is no longer colluding and is no longer uh just going with the the sort of NPC group thing I don't know you know I should probably increase

my security or something absolutely I mean this is why I hate you so much yeah just just a second that would have been my next question Iman how worried are you personally I mean you're putting a lot of the line right you have all these businesses going um you know you you are out there fighting the good fight for Free Speech but there's also a certainly a concern on your mind about what the response to this is going to be do you feel threatened do you feel worried like how do you feel personally about it yeah and I'll add on to a question I asked as well Elon like what type of pressure have you faced so far maybe it should be more worried than I am but I don't know I think generally if you do write by the people then you have the people on your side

um if you want you can come to see can you hear me first Elon before I give the mic back together yeah oh good yeah he dropped that can you hear me or not just sign off he can't hear me I'll give the mic back to Kim no you can't hear me can you take the mic yeah really quick of Senator Warren's response that one person uh him should not have control over the narrative I mean uh you can come to Switzerland but well yeah I mean obviously if not one person has control of narrative because there's the entire Ministry media establishment who all talk like group think NPC Facebook there's Google uh there's Tech talk uh no the actual problem is there's one person who isn't Towing the line that's the real problem so that's the exact response that we needed that's

you yeah I mean Ian can you ask him a quick question as well as soon as one person doesn't toe the line now everyone else is looking like you know well now we're allowed to Elon and that's the issue is before we were at risk of being suspended or de-platformed you're allowing I mean yeah exactly as possible time like competition does keep companies honest or or should it isn't it forceful keeping companies honest so if there's a competition for the truth and Twitter wins the competition for the truth then it will win over the readership and the attention of the public and everyone else will be forced to tell the truth too do you think that you run the risk of like the EU commission or any of these other big political bodies trying to take you down when

you're doing this I did not think this is but but I also think that like this song this is this is the support of the people then you have to say like any organization at least in the US that it is going to go against all of the people uh I think will be in big trouble themselves you know uh Elon you're doing this at such an important time in history because uh I think people can sense that the censorship is becoming more uh that the media is feeling more and more propaganda that we are heading into a future where Free Speech isn't really acceptable anymore and for you with your audience uh you know to go out there and put this transparency out there I think a lot of people appreciate that this is a you know a fight that you are that you are taking Center

Stage uh you know in order to uh fix some of these issues no I mean if frankly the [Music] during any open-air corporates uh let me put it that way um it's not that hard to kill me if somebody wanted to so hopefully they don't and uh the Fate Smiles upon does not have security that doesn't happen um and they're taking reasonable proportions I guess but but uh there's definitely some some risks here but I mean at the end of the day I think we'll just want to have a future where you know we're not oppressed or so our speech is not suppressed and and we can say what we want to say without fear of reprisals and um you know as long as long as you're not like really causing harm somebody else then you should be able to say what you want um and uh and that's

quite a rare thing you know I I think as people just take that for granted sometimes but really throughout history Free Speech has been highly unusual and so we have to fight very hard to keep that because it's such a rare thing and and it's by no means uh something that's default it's a controlled speech for not free and yeah it is incredibly ironic so many so many reporters in the media and prominent politicians are calling for drains on freezing they're they're this is crazy it feels like we're in Bizarro World here do you think that that comes from the way that uh journalism is taught now in today's schools and that we call post-modern journalism or where do you think that's really coming from I mean I haven't been I haven't been to journalism school

but it does seem as though that the the elite educational institutions have been something virus which is you know so like how much actual intellectual freedom and yeah how much Intel actual intellectual freedom is there at Elite educational institution where you don't get completely shunned if unless you uh abide by uh what everyone else thinks and then what everyone else thinks is you're told what to think not ask that you know you're sort of you must think this it's not like you have freedom to think as and talk as you wish yeah um what's the solution for this I mean like obviously this is and and um and have truth be see what matters more than anything I mean I think it's funny that you know Harvard's motto and the Harvard standard is Veritas and

and the founders of the of Harvard were right to have that on their fields The Shield of truth but is Harvard The Shield of Truth today maybe not well you know we're all um our belief in Freedom to transact and obviously Jack was a big Bitcoin lightning guy um what can you comment on uh freedom to transact Bitcoin lightning Twitter anything we could we couldn't look forward to thank you well uh you know I think that's actually more powerful even than I think controlling then censorship which control of the monetary system um if you have control of the money monetary system and control the transaction you can literally stop someone from the you can stall people to death you know can throw them out of their homes so we have to be very careful about like

who is controlling the money system here and and what what rules and regulations are they going to put on on transactions it seems like PayPal has strayed pretty far from the path of that like they're I've been Banning seems to be moving in the direction of social credit and restricting transactions and uh you know so that's that's concerning so and like I do think there is a role for crypto in the future without speaking to any big particular crypto coin as a means of showing that the monetary system does not get completely corrupted it essentially it provides competition to the fiatric system so if the Fiat system becomes um overly restrictive then crypto will grow like basically the better that the Fiat works the the less prominent crypto will be and

the worst the fear system becomes the more crypto will grow are you concerned about the moves towards Central Bank digital currencies I don't think what they're talking about [Laughter] not really um a lot of people a lot of people have theorized that FTX and the Fallout there was a ploy to push us toward that centralization and the digital dollar ball and flatten its face now correct well yeah well this I think they're complaining a few things first of all all money is almost almost all money is digital already the the Fiat monetary system for practical purposes consists of a series of heterogeneous mainframes running uh Antiquated Cobalt that's the actual money system by the way it's kind of embarrassing some rickety mainframes running ancient Kobo

um and running and doing everything in batch mode um that's the actual monitories the Fiat monitories so I've got can you hear me first is it working now or no but it is digital oh [ __ ] but not not in a very good way whether Banks create some their own cryptocurrencies I think people will use the cryptocurrencies that they think will accrue value over time and not use the ones that that don't go to the Moon hey Elon could you could you shed some um spill the beans on the whole uh SPF finance and Twitter fundraise uh I it's not much that not many beans to spill here the I had one conversation with SPF in May it was like half an hour he was just talking like a mile a minute uh I think he was clearly on some stimulants and uh and he kept talking about

himself uh and FDX and which is weird because the call was supposed to be about Twitter um and I was like you know should you want to ask me some questions about Twitter instead of talking about yourself the vibe I got there was like my [ __ ] meter like with redlining so I'm like but everyone kept saying you know Morgan Stanley and lots of other people kept saying oh SPF is the best and he's got tons of money and so that's why I agreed to speak to him but then I my like I said he set up my [ __ ] meter and but which frankly I don't think this was like deeply deep inside wasn't necessary if if someone's calling you to talk about investing it in a big transactions they should be asking questions about the transaction not talking about themselves and and

and talking at the speed of an Auctioneer so that doesn't require deep insight to figure out that the devotion factor is high he didn't end up with with any client funds accidentally yeah so unfortunately Mario is having connection issues so you're unable to hear him and Mario I was going to say my DMs are open if you want to relay comments or questions for Elon there and I can try to help field those and also Alex is one of the accounts that was wrongfully suspended by Twitter and you fortunately brought back I wanted to give him the opportunity to ask you a question because he's had his hand up if that's okay okay sure hey um we can't hear you Alex yeah mutant on mute just so we can hear Alex because I think elon's background noise is muting Alex hey

Elon muskimi so yes I'm telling him that he can't find you that's okay just give me me one second here real quick um Elon you you said something you know really important and that is that truth matters and uh you know this is really what this is all about because without Free Speech we don't have truth and I would like to ask you what is your opinion about Julian Assange and Edward Snowden shouldn't those guys uh be a center stage when it comes to free speech and truth you know shortened the US government leave Julian Assange alone and let him be a journalist you know I I don't know enough about the Assange situation um to give an accurate answer um I mean there are things where you know uh that we're national security stuff is involved you know I think

do you need to be kept secret in just because you know uh you know there's like nuclear secrets that there are you know the things where Bad actors if they had access to that information could do bad things so yeah but when when a journalist exposes war crimes right when a government just goes and invades the country and kills people you know against international law like when exposures like this are being made isn't that important so people see the reality of wars and understand how some of that stuff is really bad yeah I mean I generally think that people should like so that that people should have be able to know what's going on in order to make sensible decisions uh and I'm not I just don't know enough about the Islam situation to say whether you

know should be punished or not punished uh but I I do think that I'm generally in favor of Freedom of Information and and like if there's any doubt we should lead on the side of Freedom of Information and how about how about Equity Snowden who has revealed these Mass surveillance program where the government is spying on everyone and storing all their data in these massive spy clouds also against the law you know where the five eyes are working together to undermine the logo the local laws and their local restrictions on spying and they just spy on each other and then share the data so that they know everything about everyone how do you feel about that probably the best thing would be a jury of the public you know if so if Snowden were to be I don't know

look I have power on this situation but ultimately the people of the United States should be the ones who judge Snowden not not you know select people in the government if a jury of of of of peers of citizens were to review certain and make a judgment as to whether he's guilty or not I think that would probably be the appropriate course of action yeah the only problem is that if he were to be in in a U.

S court he wouldn't get a fair trial because uh under Espionage acts laws you cannot even make a public interest defense he wouldn't even be able to say I've done that because it's the right thing for American to know about that so that would be a defense that is not available to him so to say you know a jury of your peers should be excited about that that's the problem yeah I I don't know I mean there's no easy answer to the Snowden Islam situation and I but yeah can I make a suggestion Elon why don't you do a poll to your millions of users and ask them if they think Julian Assange and Edward Snowden should be given their peace for the service that they have provided to humanity okay that's a good idea sure I like that idea I'm going to ask a question

on Mario's half really quick since he's unable to speak to Elon which has to be extremely frustrating as the host he was just curious if you faced any pressure so far since releasing the Twitter files um I mean I face pressure all the time so it's kind of it would be like what's the differential in pressure before and after because I I don't but I'm not I haven't seen it yet I don't know maybe there's pressure but I I might not just not be feeling it because I just just every day is the high pressure situation but uh I don't know what like I said we're just gonna uh put all the information out there try to get a clean slate and then work iteratively in the future to provide the most truthful accurate and timely uh information people that will be the goal

of of Twitter and we won't be perfect in that regard but I think we will be iteratively better um and and if if that turns out if we're successful in doing so then I think Twitter will will compete more effectively than any other source of information and then more and more people will use Twitter um and and that and then that competitive pressure will force other social media companies and and other media companies to also be more truthful because otherwise they will simply lose their readership and that I think is extremely powerful and good Vision could you say a little bit perhaps about what Twitter is expected to maintain as an API to say the Department of Homeland Security in general the FBI maybe sees it in particular is there an expected way in

which the government can jack in to social media that's expected on behalf of each of the big media platforms and is that sort of different I don't know how to say this exactly but the issue of left versus right is Complicated by the fact that Trump is a non-player to the game just the way Bernie might have been considered a non-player to the game and the secondary question is how much of this isn't about left versus right but about targeting anyone who isn't a party to all of the tacit agreements inside DC [Music] um can you still hear us Elon Elon you're still there I hope so no he's disconnected it says disconnected for me at least oh I'll invite him I'll invite him again okay oh he's back he's back that's a Pity that he couldn't hear you man that

is just yes please no it's fine man it's fine like you know me I'm gonna be listening I'm happy listening can you guys see me at least yeah Dara thanks for asking the question I really I was really curious about it uh but it says for me he's still a speaker can anyone see him as a speaker I can see him he's not speaking ah last time last time he was here Kim you were there I think Kim you commented and he joined um he when we co-hosted him remember Kim we co-hosted him and it froze someone yeah I think he's dropped off now yeah I'll send him I'll send him an invite a few people um got kicked off stage um not even by you came just by themselves they'll just goes give you a heads up Twitter's glitches what's your take while waiting for Elon guys guys what's

your take so I'll find what Elon has said because there's a few pretty big things you mentioned the worry that he has just to summarize what he said right I mean his main goal clearly is that the truth is out there that it has value again and that Twitter needs to make a stand for free speech which he is doing now and he is aware of the risk to him personally and his businesses so it's a very courageous thing for him to do and I think you know anyone who had any doubt about what his intentions are when he bought Twitter I think it's pretty clear that what he's doing is in the interest of the people and not necessarily in his own best interests so I find that amazing and I applaud him for that yeah and while waiting uh while waiting of the end of another

invite what do you guys think of his um I know he was I'm not sure he's saying it as a joke but he's sick you know secure dirty fear if you're on his on his security and I think I don't think he has anything really to worry about I mean I don't think anyone's gonna really gonna come at him right now because it'd be too obvious why they'll be going after him so I think he's quite safe and he does have security so personally I'm not concerned although at the same time you know there's uh he does have security for a reason right he is the world's richest man so um there's that but I'm not really I don't think it it's going to be different than any other day there's nothing that he's revealing now that is you know that damaging to you know any specific person

right it's like uh he's he's more or less just giving people the platform for for free speech and the people who are most affected by this are journalists who you know what do they have to lose well their reputations for one but they've already thrown it away so I don't think it's you know I don't think he really has this uh to worry about his personal safety I don't think it's going to be that dire Elana just to let you know Elon is listening now um I've sent you through an invite you should see it via DM um so I sent you through the invites to come back on stage so uh hopefully it works it might take a bit of time because space is glitching like crazy yeah for everyone else everyone else yeah go ahead Mario there's some backfeed coming from you I'm

not sure if you have your uh audio playing in the background but there I can hear you twice I don't know if anyone else is having that issue oh I can hear him twice okay I'll try to fix it by the way everyone I'm just gonna tweet the next space link now to set your reminders for the next space I'll fix my audio Kim I feel like it's yours yeah let's hope that Elon comes back is if he has a chance I mean first of all how amazing is that that he joins us from his private chat you know to be part of it because of this space it's just typical Elon it's so cool I mean it's a historical moment right I mean he's a part of it I mean he's he's the part of it so I mean thank you he's he's back guys just FYI he's back Elon let me see if he can hear me this time [Music]

uh yeah can you hear me yes yeah I'm glad I'm glad you can hear me I'm glad you can hear me again um so I think Kim you were asking a question now I was just saying how cool it is that you talk to us from your uh private jet you know we really appreciate it it's like a typical Elon moment and we're just all in awe about you you know taking these risks uh to your business and to yourself to fight for free speech so I said to to everyone who had doubts about your intentions when you bought Twitter uh you're making your intentions very clear and I think it's very courageous of you and I want to thank you for that uh no you're most welcome I mean like I said the you know the proof will be in the pudding over time there will be many mistakes made um and uh

but iteratively I think the the the net Vector should be towards truth if sort of new Twitter is successful in that then the results will be that people will turn to Twitter to understand what is true what is real what what narratives matter Twitter will gain a lot of you know readership and attention and and and it'll be put a lot of competitive pressure on mainstream media and on other social media companies to also be more truthful um because otherwise they'll they will simply keep losing people to to Twitter and and that's where the competition can be a very very good thing um and but it's not going to be perfect and there'd be going to be decisions that you know people disagree with but on balance the overall decisions are ones that people do agree

with and they will gravitate towards Twitter and Twitter will be successful and will gain share from from from other uh social media and and it will cause those other sources of media to then uh stop Towing the line and and and to sort of be more truthful what's your uh just a quick question Elon what's the biggest risk in your opinion from the steps you've taken in terms of releasing the files do you see any risks for for Twitter um I mean I guess would probably be some yeah we'll be surprised at some lawsuits or something you know yeah I would expect there to be some legal risk what's important that's that's the last thing that's less of a concern than you know clearing the air and and and uh making sure that that people are both you know don't know

what really happened and uh the the the metrics the Twitter metrics show that it seems like it's the right decision by far not only ethically but from from a business perspective as well uh that you keep hitting new records yeah exactly so like I said it's it's one as as it becomes clear and that that Twitter is the place to actually figure out what's going on and get the unfiltered narrative the unfortunate truth also for the people of Twitter to be able to to suggest narratives and steer this you know and and emphasize narratives themselves um and have things not be controlled like it is with the so-called mainstream media where you know the narrative is controlled by a handful of editors and Chiefs you know if they see the Wall Street Journal New York

Times and Washington Post and maybe a few others decide what the narrative is and so even if what they say is completely truthful um the people that really get a choice in in what topics are covered whereas on Twitter they do and and and uh you know like it could be something really important on the world and and then uh the big news organizations aren't covering it but on Twitter the people can decide what narratives are important and what should be emphasized and what should you know yeah so so that's cool can I mention something really quick that can I just mention something really quick I can hear you okay is that you I'm just going to ask a quick question I'm sorry what Twitter is doing or what you are doing what you're planning to allow uh people

to have more ability to publish their own stories on Twitter because you know right now we just have tweets right yeah but uh like what are your plans for say video publication or article publication uh things to incentivize you know creators and journalists independent journalists to be able to have their voices heard it for more than just streets yeah absolutely I mean these are all like very obvious moves one needs to be able to pump obviously post long form content on Twitter they when it needs to be able to post long long videos and long audio uh on Twitter natively and there also needs to be of monetizing that so that creators can you know make a living those are I I feel like I'm saying that the you know the sky is blue and the grass is green you

know there's pretty obvious stuff and in order to implement those things um Twitter needs to have a strong software engineering organization that is focused on shipping grade code um and uh you know was quite a mess before and that registered will have a strong engineering to be able to implement those those basic features you know that even if there are lots of limitations Apple um well then where they can post it on Twitter and then Twitter Can Be an Effective competitor to YouTube um and then like I said what happens with when there's competition for with the truth and everyone and and one company steps out of line you know it actually really really disallowed the you know truth to flourish it it's it's going to put a lot of competitive pressure on

other organizations to do the same thing can you talk about whether or not the effort to supposedly pre-bunk Mal information which is to take real information and then if it's Imaging to a narrative to put fear uncertainty and doubt around it is there a an attempt through the Department of Homeland Security or the FBI or Cesar any of these groups to tell Twitter that it has to maintain a port so that information can come from the government to say we need this information prebunct well I mean if if there is any sort of request from the US government that is not in accordance with the law or can be legally fought uh Twitter will refuse legal and it's full weekly such that it can be but but we cannot gag the voice of the people this is not good um and and

like I said earlier it's like you look at look at I I read a lot of history I love love history and I love history podcasts and stuff hardcore history is the best one Hardcore History Dan Colin is so awesome fantastic start with the Mongol start with the Mongols yeah but it's like you look through instrumented and it's like we're just we have this pressure we're in this precious situation where like it's rare a new situation where there's actually you know I mean within boundaries there's there is actually freedom of speech but it's written in history um and usually it's like been some king or whatever that's just they were just by default and now we have this like rare moment in history where the voice of the people um is mostly not suppressed but now

there are people trying to suppress it and we just find really hard for for freedom of speech this is very I think essential future of civilization I absolutely agree with you I mean this is why you're fighting right this is why you know you're fighting for free speech so that we can have it in the future because if we don't have control of the present we do not have control for future it will be in the control of somebody else someone that we absolutely do not want to be in control of anything yeah exactly just as much time in there you know there are a lot of people in in the last decade that have lost hope because uh what's happening in politics what's happening in the media there's so much frustration and I think the most important thing that you've

done here Elon with your steps that you are taking is to give people hope again well great I mean I'm really glad to hear that and like I said I'll do my best here um you know I'm definitely going to make some mistakes along the way and it won't be perfect but I'll also then do my best to correct those mistakes and and to be you know the least done possible because as I say rocks popular box today man it's like yeah I mean it's a very white pilling moment to have you fight this fight you know I mean a lot of us have been fighting this culture War for free speech basically and you know I think a lot of people have lost hope because they didn't see anyone caring about it right it's like the majority of people obviously do care but they just don't know what

to do and yeah it's true what what Kim said just to Echo what he said Thank You For Fighting this fight I mean this is very very important it's not just you it's not just me it's all of us absolutely yeah I mean I'm like I mean I I I'm like sort of you know worried about the future of civilization uh you know like are we headed in a good good good direction like if you study history you sort of see like the arc The Arc of civilizations the rise and fall you know with the Sumerians the ancient Egyptian in in India and China they've been many sort of rise and Falls of civilizations within India and China and it's just like people sometimes take for granted that because they've been in in an upcycle things just get better in the future and they don't just

automatically get better um uh they actually so civilizations tend to have an arc we want to make sure that we we do not find ourselves on the downslope of that Arc you know good times make weak men right and we are in the good times right now and we're seeing a lot of black men right like that's where we are in this Ark and it sucks so let's try not to repeat the same cycle we need to fight the cycle yeah exactly exactly you know not to sort of get like two I mean too philosophical about things here but there is there is like sort of a you know I've had these discussions with like a lot of people and I feel like wondering like what's the meaning of life like what should we do like what why do anything you know um and uh you know for some people that

answer is religious but then if you're not sort of very religious then then what what is the answer actually my theory on that is that I I sort of believe in Douglas Adams philosophy the universe like the the universe is the answer and we should strive through greater understanding uh with to expand the scope and scale of Consciousness to better understand what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe you know it's it's basically a religion of curiosity uh like let's let's uh grow into the future expand in the future expand Consciousness expand our understanding and um and and uh figure out what that's going on and um number 42 as well and also you know don't panic and and make sure you grab a towel without without giving away too much really

quick Elon is there any way to get a sneak peek of what what we can expect with the next uh Twitter files drop [Music] well I'm someone leaving this up to Matt tyvee and Barry Weiss um but um I think the natural thing would be to say like okay what happened after the the election you know the 100 dividing laptop stuff and by the way I actually don't I I this may sound bizarre but uh it's kind of fun to be honest um I know it yeah he's an artist do you know that he seems like he seems like he knows how to have a good time dividing him but so uh if it but just beyond the um you know what happens what happened after the election you know how much government influence was there you know there's like there's this whole sort of move to create a disinformation

Ministry which was insane um and like George Orwell is turning in his grave he hears those things but but like what happened with you know was that you know I think there was a public outquire about like this information yeah started that one he basically stopped it in his tracks because before that nobody knew that this was even a thing right and you exposed it and suddenly everybody was talking about it and they had to shut it down because it was very orwellian it was like they use 1984 as a instruction manual exactly totally exactly 1984 is 1984 supposed to be a warning Notch and instruction manual yep and that's what they seem to be doing they take every single you know dystopian fiction whether it's CSX I love that game and and they're like yeah

this world looks awesome that's the press the hell out of people it's like no let's not do that exactly totally even speaking speaking of uh progress you've accomplished so much you started the first successful American car company in 100 years uh you brought payments to the internet there's a lot of aspiring um entrepreneurs and small business owners that look at what you do and sort of try to you know follow that example and see how can they create some of that progress too and I wanted to ask you a little bit about the layoffs because um it appeared to be with the four million dollar loss per day and just doing the math on the billion dollars of interest expense that three million dollars of that may have been interest expects added and and I myself

running a small business had been in a situation where you know the business was going to go under in a number of months if expenses weren't cut you know and and what we found is communicating to employees giving them time to process getting their feedback and then you know creating a shared vision and to evolve the product to evolve the company to it to a greater future was was really successful and it appears here that the typical like Leverage buyout KKR uh approach was basically applied from a financial standpoint you know for a small business owner like you know is that approach wrong like did you think about taking that approach um you know with that ever under consideration yeah I apologize like like is not it's not it's not I'm not fully hearing

the questions um but you know with respect to Twitter uh you know the the company uh basically triple head count in about two years a little over two years but but revenue is flat to declining so that there's just no way that that is uh going to be a healthy situation so the first order of business with Twitter was like okay we got to make sure Twitter doesn't die that doesn't go bankrupt the there is quite a lot of debt on this deal 12 and a half billion of debt um and Ted is being extremely unwise in its very giant uh rate increases I think this is these will go down to some of the most foolish fed decisions ever but anyway so the death's got to be serviced and uh yeah KKR and other private Equity companies that you know do any anything from a hostile

takeover you know or any sort of takeover where they where they bid over the current price using leverage using debt you know I've been following that for years and it always results in massive layoffs and so as somebody who's by the way I don't say anybody cares about that I don't think that matters right now and I was going to say as long as they keep moving the bar and changing the definition of a recession we are where we are right back on topic here you know I mean we have Elon we don't need to talk about you know his Investments and things like that um Iran uh we should send a shout out to the Twitter spaces team because you're about to break the all-time record with the space we're almost at 100 000 listeners right now yes we are man talking about

talking about spices you know what's the strategy moving forward awesome look I I have to tell you that there are really some amazing people at Twitter um and uh there's actually some amazing people who actually left Twitter uh in recent years uh and I hope they come back um uh because I think there's a potential to just build some amazing things here so you know I don't want to just I want to be exactly complimentary of the some of the the great work that is being done on Twitter um so you know it's sort of you know it's sort of like I mean there's a lot to criticize about Twitter and say like okay we're wasting money really some negative ways but also people who really care about the truth of Twitter um and I'm doing my best to elevate their capabilities

and um and give them all the resources they need I am very excited about Community note uh this feature you know Keith Coleman's running it and there's like a some really first-rate Engineers that are are writing the code on that on their product that is I think going to be very powerful for fighting for actually fighting disinformation not not okay please see that if we're not if we're not enrolled in community notes right like right now uh the rest of the world isn't right it's just the United States and I think Canada to my knowledge but uh can you at least make it visible to other people so even if we're not able to contribute we can at least view it because yeah I feel kind of left out him in I'm in Malaysia so you know it's kind of hard to see it

yeah actually I I actually I I asked that I I sent a note to Keith Holmes saying like hey shouldn't we just at least make this visible everywhere um and then he said if we needed to talk in person about that but I'm not sure what okay ELO we did we did want to say on the Twitter spaces um during the blowout of SPF and FTX all the other companies in crypto there's been massive Financial losses for um many people obviously um but Twitter spaces actually became the place that drove the community together and we were we've been sharing lots of stories there were people that were suicidal because of the financial loss and because of the community and Twitter spaces um they've prevented them taking their life there's lots and to add to it as well Elon last

time if you remember when you joined the space about Sam and that space ended up going for 16 hours and for three four days the media was in our space getting the news from the space for four days five days straight and then writing stories on it day after day and I think Simon was there Kim was there so it was a as I think it's the first time it happens to that extent on Twitter spaces and and we're probably doing it again today yeah and this type of Citizen journalism that you are enabling is uh so powerful you know because we are the news now if people want to learn the truth they go to Twitter and join these spaces you know it's like real time uh with experts it's fantastic and then we have people like you joining in and and sharing their opinions

and their thoughts what is more powerful than that the traditional media can pack and and it's game over for them would you ever consider holding a space for earnings for Tesla I'm right here live on Twitter [Music] um oh man I have to say you're being Tesla being a public company it just creates it such a gigantic attack surface for all for legal firms in the uh in the US especially these class action firms that that yeah that seems like a bad idea I've been to faces I've been to spaces other CEOs held uh and they did their earnings live right on Twitter and I thought I'm happy to do it yeah so you've made you've made Elon you've just made two promises you've made two promises man now you've made this one and you've made one to Kim about the I'm out

I'm out you made a promise to Kim about the poll and now you made a promise to hold the uh the Tesla uh meter here on spaces so just I'll remind you afterwards about it as well yeah so I've been getting a lot of questions from people who are just bombarding me just to ask you right because you know we're in the space they're asking what are you going to do about the shadow Banning situation because like I'm personally a search band I'm not Shadow band but I'm search band and I'm not sure what's even up with them yeah I mean but if I said I've only been on the job like a month guys so uh just uh there's definitely I've got a long list of things to do um a general um we need to say like your account could actually just tell you you are a search band or

you are de-boosted or whatever it is and and why and what the process is for fixing that um now now the best week I should tell you that that we did we were probably a little overzealous and that's if anything that's that's my fault because we I'm just trying to get rid of the damn uh scams and spam and Bots and stuff um and so in in trying to stamp out or reduce the the Bots bam scam stuff uh there will be some false positives uh so uh so that's just week but uh to be taking I know it was like it's going to be an iterative Journey towards towards truth and towards a healthier system at any given point it will be broken but it will be moving as quickly as possible towards a good place and I encourage people to you know complain about it and whatnot uh

but uh it's just it will it will move it early iteratively towards a good place that's the goal and again they move pretty fast so on the net the vector some of those to say um over time I'm losing him yeah I make him check my checking check my DMs Kim check my DMs because I'm having glitches so I might need your help with a few things hey long yep yep oh you're back another another question I think you've made a reference once to WeChat um I think that was a while ago and I don't recall it correctly is does that reference still stand today is that a potential vision for Twitter yeah I'll just use a functionality that Twitter should have um like it's a kind of a no-brainer for Twitter to have payments uh both fiat currency and crypto and to make that

that and simple for people to use uh as talked about earlier adding uh the ability to post long form written content and video content and to be able to monetize that easily and um and I have a playlist you know like YouTube does yeah um my focus in the first month and and also will be the case in December is is just making sure that that twit that Twitter is operating efficiently as a company that um it is not that is not wasting money um because it it faces challenges on the revenue front from you know with an over-dependence on Advertising that is not targeted uh like brand advertising and and in in a market where advertising Revenue in general is dropping um and then also when you start questioning the status quo then you know various pressure groups

start pressuring advertisers to not advertise with you so that's another you know Challenge on the revenue front and then you've got the debt and and the the debt has now has a very high interest rate so it's like these are a lot of challenges simultaneously to that um I think we'll you know we'll solve these challenges but these are a lot of things to solve so the first order of business is just get Twitter healthy um make sure its expenditures are reasonable um that um you know Twitter Twitter's like primarily a software company there are obviously Design Elements but it's primarily software and servers and so like is the software team organized well those that are committing code committing good code and just that making the engine of engineering work

at Twitter because if you look at say like what is Twitter's Evolution technology Evolution over time excluding Acquisitions it's been very low it's the technology of Twitter has been very slow and there's an edit button yeah exactly the edit button look I mean if it takes a year to do an edit button and the edit button still doesn't work properly then you can have a million good ideas but they're irrelevant because you can't Implement so Elon uh I've got a quick question for you my friend um I was removed from this okay I want to test my mic can you guys hear me um I can hear you um maybe can you hear me Alex we can we can hear um yeah guys okay does Alex want to go and then I can go can you hear me yeah okay so my question was if the the files are those

also going to include other content others so basically all those pages uh yeah this is a bit of an audio [ __ ] show let's try and get this back on the road I unmuted everyone and I muted everyone I'm going to unmute those who are not talking uh just mute yourself please I would like to ask Elon a quick question trying this again I think Alex just did and he was ready to respond he just now would have to unmute himself to respond to Alex yeah I was just wondering if all accounts that were requested to have things taken down by the DNC and by the Biden campaign even ones that have nothing to do with the hunter Biden laptop if they will also be released um yes um the uh intended to release uh all the files um so it's not like anything that's hidden or

anything I can't hear anybody hey dropped out is my mic good Kim by the way is am I Mike okay Alex I mean I think this is you know this is like whatever Saucy files or your Truth and Reconciliation like Nelson Mandela would say you know it's it's if you want reconciliation there must be truth that's that's the intention intent here is to just make make it clear what was happening and provide transparency about the past and in doing so to build trust about the future awesome so do you think that Twitter could also like have an automatic um notification if anyone was stay up their account was requested confident taken down do you think there could be something like that yeah like the VPN sites actually offer that foreign [Music] request content takedowns

that are embarrassing then they'll be less likely to request those content take them um you know at the end of the day it doesn't have a choice but to abide by the laws of you know the US and and whatever countries is operating uh you otherwise get arrested um we shouldn't do more than that to be abide by the laws because you have to um and uh you know if maybe there may be some potential to say like well if we disagree with the law maybe we can Bobby to have a little change or something like that but um so Elon I want to ask you on this point um go ahead sorry no I I'm just gonna like saying like the the overarching goal here is that um on balance that that Twitter be a force for good for the future of civilization um that and and for the expansion of

of Consciousness So to that point I want to ask you then because I'm speaking from the European lens um what do you think about the eu's proposals over potential restrictions um or equally um I know you had a little bit of a uh should we say Fanfare with Alex finman earlier this week um I was wondering if you would be interested in a space with you and him since I know him uh from the week ago we had a chat I invite you too if you'd be interested if you'd be interested don't don't waste your time with the intelligence Community seriously yeah I'm teasing but I'm I am curious about your thoughts on the European Union perspective um well yeah actually there's a lot of the the EU rules call call for things that I agree with uh transparency and and an ability

for people for users to appeal uh and have a clear process so I think I you know in terms of the Digital Services act I think I think it's uh it's mostly good I think we have to watch the implementation of it and make sure the implementation does not uh is not um you know bad for the the people of Europe but the actual um you know I think most of what is in there I I agree with you know because it's transparency and accountability uh it seems quite sensible um we just need to make sure that that is not warped in a bad Direction but uh generally I you know I agree with it um or at least what I know of it today um allow governments to Define what misinformation or disinformation is right I mean that is probably the most dangerous if development to give

governments that kind of power that they become the deciders of what truth and what is not yeah no that that's that is a big deal I agree that is that's that's that goes to the heart of the situation you don't want to have governments and especially it may not even be sort of it may not be an elected official maybe someone who is uh potentially a mid-level executive in a Ministry people don't even know exists and was never elected uh despite being in a democratic country what about the kind of protesters um what role do you think that Twitter can have in helping to support Iran Ukraine China and other countries that are facing you know uh technological oppression and limitation in their access to freedom of speech well uh I mean yeah like I said we'll

do whatever is possible within the bounds of the law you know I have a kind of a personal question and I've been curious you know was there a Breaking Point that made you decide do you want to buy Twitter that's a good question um I was hoping you would say the child exploitation that you you've done more to get rid of in the past month than they did in the past 10 years on Twitter and I wanted to thank you for that and I'm sorry that the media has completely snubbed you on mentioning the fact that you guys have gone above and beyond to make that happen and Eliza blue thank you for your work and efforts there yeah I'd like to say thank Eliza blue I would like to thank Andrea as well I think we've actually had in this is actually like a really good case

of of you know crowdsourcing of having people on Twitter actually help us solve the child exploitation stuff it's actually it is it is true um yes Twitter has done more to stop child exploitation last month than probably the last 10 years that's insane it kind of blows my mind frankly and we're going to keep doing it and it's always going to be number one I mean it's like kids can't defend themselves so we must Mario we can't hear you no you you sound like you're like a mosquito now sounds like he's in the toilet to be honest Elon do you still have plans to drop the W everyone is asking um I I mean technically the poll did come out positive on that um so the people have spoken I know so the people have not spoken there but most of my question like I don't

think you answered that like uh I want to know like what was the breaking point I think a lot of people want to know this one like what was the breaking point that made you want to buy Twitter okay first of all I suppose I I if if Twitter had been if I'd been able to to buy Twitter sooner than I I might have actually done that you know that we're a situation where my liquidity was enough and Twitter's value is you know with with whether you know there's essentially a closing price like would I actually have that wasn't the case until recently um but I I guess the it just felt like it really had been building for for some time so I wouldn't say there was like it wasn't like a step change suddenly this is a one thing it's not like Oh The Babylon B got banned

that's why I bought Twitter that would be crazy it's more that they they just seem to be like this more and more group thing amongst the media um more and more uh sort of Towing the line amongst digital social media company basically just we're traveling the path more and more of suppression of free speech um and this was just getting me concerned it's like the trends were just very very bad um so unless something was done to reverse this trend against Free Speech then I felt well maybe you know some point everything will just get cut off and unless you're in agreement with whatever the group think is you're just going to be ostracized or your voice will be shut off so like I said it wasn't any one thing it was just it was just like okay and I could I

can't exactly say why because it's like one of those things where it's like it might it's just that my biological neural net uh you know that's important to buy Twitter and if you you know to stuck with a digital neural net you can't really exactly explain why the neural net is able to understand or text or just say that that the collective result of the neural net says that this is an important action uh though or this is the right action and my biological neural net concluded that it was important to buy Twitter and then if Twitter was not bought and steered in a good direction it would be a danger for the future of civilization and so that's why I that's why I bought it that's brilliant American you mentioned the biological neural net and the digital

neural net when is the a neural link to be ready to copy our Consciousness into account please whatever where can I sign up for it because I would love to have my my brain augmented you know it's like cyberpunk yeah exactly just going full cyberpunk at this point uh yeah um the other side to that to that um I'm sure you're familiar with Doctor Who right and the Cyber men and this idea of a centralized system by which you can influence people's thoughts is that not a consideration that you have on your radar if you get where I'm coming from well I mean frankly on the on the the neural neural are there neural link front if I look at the pace at which artificial intelligence is improving versus the pace at which neurolink is a progressing artificial intelligence

is moving much faster than the neural link is moving because as soon as anything gets done with humans it gets very slow because of the danger to humans I mean for the next few years neurolink is really just focused on storing movement to people that have a broken neck or spine and restoring Vision so as restoring movement and vision it's not uh you know uploading memories or controlling thoughts or anything like that it's pretty basic stuff it's like the early days of computers you know it's basically but it's life-changing though right I mean being able to see if you you're born blind that is there's a gift that I don't think you know anyone would pass up that would be amazing yeah and that's that's very doable you know what I'm saying about neuralink

is that you'll be able to see anything in your links doing you'll be able to see coming from very far off like like because you've got to go through the whole FDA device approval process if that takes ages to evaluate the safety in humans that takes a long time so it basically is very slow compared to the development of digital super intelligence very fast for a long time that we want to be more cautious in the development of digital super intelligence you know this represents the danger to the public and just as we have other regulatory agents uh oversee dangers of the public like the FDA or the FAA or you know any one of a number of FCC if there's you know you have to you can't just have companies as going Hog Wild developing digital super intelligence

with no oversight do you potentially see this happening in a country where there are no oversights you know where the governments allow the you know scientists to do to go Hog Wild as you said well [Music] look we there's there's the things we can control the things we can't control and I think the there should be some kind of oversight um you know North America and Europe which is where a lot of the AI Innovation is happening there should be some kind of oversight Beyond nothing which is currently the case we are from uh General artificial intelligence like what is your time frame you think until we have the big the big deal I mean I think it's it's happening very fast you see like AGI is defined by where where digital super intelligence is smarter than

the smartest human but what is your definition of AGI yeah exactly I mean once once the AI is able to basically program itself and understands how to uh how to advance itself that would be the level where we need to start to worry right yeah um we're yeah um I mean what about this you know last year after the pandemic we had the the great resignation and now there's the concern about the replacement of traditional labor jobs with you know Ai and machine technology I think it was you uh you know I saw the video deep in the capacity for it to control things with its mind it's not a concern about the potential impact it has on you know very menial jobs in the uh you know those people who don't have necessarily the skills or ability to retrain that quickly

just you know how can we uh plan in advance to minimize the consequence sorry the audio the audio is like not not good right now so um oh no worse we can have another space sometime in the future to talk about AI because I think that is one of the big topics uh you know where a lot of people don't really realize how big uh the risk of ai ai is and what you are always uh asking for is you know more regulation better rules in order to prevent the worst case scenario of yeah an AGI taking over and basically wiping out like an artist and an artist in the job you know I mean mid-journey has basically replaced graphic artists for book covers you know you don't need a book artist anymore you can just do it with AI not not to change the subject back to the Twitter

files but Kim I just want to ask Elon a quick question about section 230 are you concerned about that now and what the government could essentially due to section 230 as a result of the flattening that you're creating at Twitter and all the truth that you're you're pushing out in the objectivity well I I think it is I said I just said to say this on Twitter publicly it is good that that we we actually that the house will be Republican you know it's like it's not it's generally not a good idea if the U.

S if the if the house senate and executive branch are all of one party then then you have to sort of situation so it's good to have uh at least one of those branches the other party um because then they will then then they will check the worst excesses of both parties so I think um you know I think it's good that the house will be Republican you know and this is and people to interpret that as like oh I must be some huge Republican or something it's like no I'm a huge moderate actually is what I am it's just like I wish people would curiously moderate uh but I advise the nature of being moderate is not it does not lend itself you know you cannot be it's like be fanatically moderate but but fanaticism I think some YouTubers like to say right be a radical

Centrist yeah um so so it's just like like you want to have the government pass laws that are in the best people not that that are interested that are in the interest of a small segment of the people and uh you know so that's why I think if you like mixture of parties in control then then then they will pass only things that sort of are the intersection of sets of what both parties agree on which is more likely to be in the interest of the people so so I think I guess I feel pretty okay about that uh section 230 stuff yeah Elon um can you just quickly guys can you can you hear me now I know yeah I've just got I've just got I've just yeah I've just got I've got great speakers that just came up because now it's not glitching for me anymore so I've just

welcomed Clayton uh Patrick Davis on stage as well and there's more speakers about to come up that all of you would know now my space is working so guys uh feel free to jump in and ask Elon any questions hey thank you thank you so much if you want to retry the co-host thing to Mario yeah go ahead to Clay and then Patrick correctly hey thanks Elon this is Clayton from redacted um one of the stories we've been covering on our show over the past couple of months is the Dr shiva's lawsuit uh he was banned from Twitter running for the Senate from Massachusetts and one of the things in his lawsuit that was uncovered was the back end government portal to both Facebook and Twitter that they trusted Twitter partnership um and I know on Twitter's blog that trusted

Twitter partnership between Twitter and someone with a government email information and to basically have a Town's band taken down is that portal is that trusted partnership still available to the government and given what you've released in the Twitter files does it make sense for that to still be there um I gotta dig into this uh thing you know obviously that has like some big brother Vibes will adhere to the low um but it will not do you know it's not going to go beyond the law uh and and if there are laws that seem that don't seem to be the interest of the people then Toyota will question but I'll dig into this trusted partnership thing kind of what's going on um I do what's rejected and I love you and your wife you're doing an amazing job so keep

it going Eric did you have a Eric Sebastian did you have a question yeah yes maybe a follow-up to to the prior question Elon in the Twitter in the aisles of things that you found did you find any relationship between Facebook and any other Tick Tock whoever whomever with regards to what could be considered you know the collusion with with a certain um political parties was it was it another was there any collusion among other social media groups with Twitter um I've not directly seen that I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I've not seen it yet and in fact in terms of the Twitter files I Matt TV's read way more than I have like because my priority has been just getting Twitter healthy um and fixing uh Twitter engineering so that we can actually uh you

know uh release features at a high at a high rate you know that's been my priority on the Twitter front is we've got to get get Twitter to be in a financially healthy Place fix the engine of engineering so we can uh add the features and capabilities that are that are that are making much better and improve transparency and trust and all that so I actually don't even I I don't most of the stuff I I've read hardly any of the Twitter files uh Matt TV has and it very very wise is also getting access to it so you'll read it too um have you been in contact with any um of the other social platforms meta Google Etc since the release of the files has there been any pushback any concerns anything at all or it's been pretty quiet uh they haven't reached out to me

uh I'm not aware of any any Outreach from them um so I I guess look if if I think if this if it turns out this like stuff that the public should know about then we'll put it out there um and uh man Matt Vivian Barry Wise Hey listen whatever you see do you think public should know about it you just post it with regards to the dissemination of information so right now it's just matai being very wise do you have any uh plans to maybe give it give access to more journalists like say uh Ryan Sevilla daily wire technophobic you know I mean he's done lots of coverage on this stuff even previously so I'm sure they'd love to know uh yeah I think uh I mean maybe at some point we should just like put it all out there you know um uh so like I think in the beginning

it's it's good to have some coherence and um you know so it's not just a million stories all at once yeah it makes sense yeah it's a drip feed at first and then later on it's gonna be a flood right because otherwise it's just too many stories too much all at once in them people can't really focus on anything yeah it makes sense yeah you just you just get drowned out in the flood of things I think once once we think that the stories have the critical stories have been told then I think probably the right move is to just you know uh provide a data dump and then uh uh to go through it and see what was missed are you super are you surprised at all about the the the blowback against Matt taibi over the past 24 hours and a number of a number of uh liberal news

organizations a lot of liberal news reporters came out and really slammed Matt taibi which really was really shocking what was your response to that well I think those people should be looking in the mirror and wondering why they were deceptive why did they deceive the American public and and instead of trying to redirect blame to Matthew to be accepting some responsibility themselves for not being truthful to the American public it's Elon it's Mike Cohen here um congratulations on of course the acquisition of Twitter but my question to you is how are you going to go about combating the issue of Bot and Bot forms who create so much misinformation and hate on your platform the last thing I do I will defeat the damn Boston trolls um maybe they need like

a mind virus that purges them you know just makes them self-destructible yeah I mean it's War it's war and and we're going to win that war big time um the extent of the hatred that these Bots cause is astronomically and um it's really terrible but thank you for thank you for your commitment to that absolutely can I can I jump in and ask a question here Michael just real quick just real quick I wanted to say something about the box there are of course commercial Bots right people trying to do spam but the more dangerous spots are those that are trying to interfere in this course and uh you know try to manipulate the conversation and those are primarily run by governments right they're run by the intelligence community in different countries they're trying

to uh manipulate the way people are talking for example about Ukraine uh I think one of the more famous examples here are the so-called nafo Bots that are going out and shooting every month yeah often where them they're mixing it right so the intelligence Community does it in that way they have real people then they have Bots that are fully automated and then they even let their intelligence come Community employees work with Twitter profiles to chime in as well but all with one goal which is to manipulate the public discourse towards their goals and I think you experience that yourself when you spoke out for peace in Ukraine you were attacked by these same boss yeah no absolutely um like like I said you know I've been on the job a month I'm very good

at software I wrote software for 20 years and uh I was very good back in the day at defeating the the scammers and uh they were just like they were just the the Bad actors had free reign even before um they will not have that in the future um I look forward to that battle um and we will expose those who are acting uh to manipulate public opinion and shine a bright light on it fantastic hey uh Kim if I could just ask a quick question on that same topic because there was a point at which I was told by someone who apparently had access to this Discord server for these NATO uh or NATO trolls that I was among their top targets or even the number one target for a while so I'm just sort of a personal curiosity by the way this is Michael Tracy um yeah um and

so Elon I'm curious if you were able to detect or gauge any inauthentic activity on Twitter specifically related to this sort of pro Ukraine faction or you know is there was there a particular sort of system that kind of connects those actors that you were able to discern since you've taken the helm um well the the tools that Twitter currently has to detect large scale manipulation are quite strengthening that's why but in order for that for them to be strengthened we must like I said built the engine of engineering to be able to sort of see what's going on in the system I mean over and over again it's been it's like Twitter doesn't know what's going on in Twitter uh that that's actually the issue uh we need to build the tools that can analyze what's

going on and see where where is their evidence of large scale manipulation uh in order to to highlight it and I think even if it's not shut down if it is simply highlighted instead of wait a second these these accounts are all acting in concert they're acting in a way that is faster than a human could possibly coordinate uh this this appears to be a link of you know 100 000 Bots link that are all acting in concert and and just say and and expose them essentially but but those software tools need to be written um and they have not yet been written so but they will be it's cool so I can give them to you right Elon wouldn't it be easier if you were able to use some form of two-part authentication in order to ensure that the individual [Music] yeah oh you're

back yeah go ahead yeah Elon would it not be easier to just use some form of two-card authentication to ensure that the individual is who they say they are yes um now now that the the game plan with the sort of uh you know blue verified thing um is that that right now it is it is uh there are problems on many levels it's it's it's too cheap to have a bot so or and even a troll like like it's not just that somebody's operating a bunch of you know 10 000 instances um of of Twitter accounts you know you know in a bank of PCS you know uh it's it's it's like you can have a warehouse with and there are many parts of the world like Warehouse where there's just Banks of phones so there actually are operated by people the the the the the challenge right now so

the challenge is actually yeah you have to make it more expensive to to have um Bots and trolls it can't be like it's like a guy sitting in front of eight phones right that's just how they operate exactly the Farms are a guy sitting in front of headphones yeah like there's like well unfortunately the the disinformation uh budget for the CIA for the in our four parts is over a hundred million dollars I mean even if you throw eight dollars per month per account in front of them it's not is that really going to stop them uh not the eight dollars um the the if it was purely then I think it they could overcome a budget uh challenge but but the corporate but also then having to have a huge number of phones and a huge number of credit or debit cards is that

these all amplify the difficulty and and and then having if you want to do it do it such that that there's no that you can't find any connection between a hundred thousand phones and hundred thousand credit cards and a hundred thousand um you know authenticated phone numbers that's very difficult to do but just the the logistical difficulty of that is really high so it's more like you need to process some amount of money through the payment system in order to piggyback off the authentication of the payment system uh you know so eight dollars is kind of like a random number obviously um but but there's another thing that has to be accomplished simultaneously which is that uh Twitter cannot be like so heavily dependent on advertisers so this is an attempt

to kill two birds with one stone um which is that which is build it build a source of uh Revenue that that is not Advertiser dependent so if the advertisers have do not have too much uh sway over what happens on Twitter and also uh use the payment system as an additional means of identifying and stopping large-scale manipulation of the system in other words users are going to realize that these are low people right they're all verified individuals that will make them want to advertise on the site so it's it's winning hey let's win right yeah let's go hey Kim can I can I ask you a quick follow-up to my question would you mind okay I have to I have to just stop this for a second because everyone is talking over each other Elon just made a really important

point which is that um he has more freedom to do what is good for his users if he is less dependent on Advertising so there's a large group of people here I think everyone who appreciates what Elon is doing for us right now in this fight for freedom of speech should support him and the best way you can support him is to become a subscriber at Twitter you're using this great service all the time if you want him to have more power and more freedom to achieve these goals for us well you know make that eight dollar a month investment I think it's really worth it the price of a lot did Elon already say winning plans to reinstate the verification um the Eight dollar verification process I think he's gonna tell you because Kim muted everyone all right so it

seems to sometimes mute me I guess uh um yeah so the I I think we're probably about about a week away maybe uh basically this coming week we should be able to uh restart the verification process will it be Global or is it just the US still actually I'm just gonna discuss that with the team so this time for verification we're taking some additional steps where um you know one has to be a phone phone verified with a known good carrier an own good phone carrier um and uh and we're also well offer people the opportunity if they want to do ID verification kind of like what Airbnb does uh similar thing and they do that all around the world and then you then you'll be able to look at an account and say this account is payment verified it is verified it is ID

verified optionally and also to establish organizational affiliation do you actually have affiliation with this organization is and providing organizations with the ability to Define to to to to stay which set of users are affiliated with that organization so like are you actually a professor at Stanford or are you actually for example a reporter at the New York Times or whatever um or an employee of a you know uh PepsiCo or whatever it is you know just generally to have granularity and Nuance to what verified means as opposed to the sort of like grab grab bag of nons uh which has been the the past blue verified situation where you know you could have been an intern at Mashable 10 years ago and now but we verified and it's it's kind of crazy or or and

then they're also just being traded constantly uh you could just buy a verified badge so you can't you can't actually tell if somebody's proved for legacy blue you can't tell if it's if that is a legitimate situation A crypto scam whether they're actually or other you don't know because there's no granularity to it and there was there's no way to buy them off of Google right now like you can literally Google verified accounts and they sell them for like 200 500 or something right yes exactly exactly it's not like it's not not like you have to go to the in quotes dark web to to do to buy blue verified you can literally Google search it on it's on page one of the Google search results verified so so it's just basically it's just a quick verified in the

corruption um and and so we need to move forward with something that that is that gives granularity and and detail and Nuance about the nature of the verification and uh so that you can actually trust what you see Elon you said you want some really admirable things about uh freedom of speech and your commitment to it and its role in the future of humanity you didn't answer the question about supporting protesters in China and Iran is their freedom of speech freedom of speech for Chinese people important Humanity in China just so you know like Twitter is inaccessible in China you need a VPN so it's kind of a pointless question so you don't think making it accessible for Chinese or Iranian it doesn't matter because a lot of people are confused that uh it's

a First Amendment issue what was dumped um by Matt tabi the First Amendment concerns government suppression so anything that happened before January the 20th isn't First Amendment unless it was the Biden Administration afterwards so for those who think that you know we've got the Smoking Gun and they don't need to wait for anything else if you address that issue Mr muscle yeah I mean what first of all actually there there are issues if um if there's electric interference before the government because uh uh you know that that's that that's uh that that is I think an issue certainly uh would appear that Twitter falsely claimed that there was not uh interference um but right but that that has to that has to do with in-kind contributions that's a very different

kind of thing and it is it is Criminal but but can you tell us if there's you know there will be more smoking guns coming yeah I think there will be more smoking guns because the obvious next question is well what happened after the election exactly exactly yeah I mean that's probably the right thing for episode two um is what happened after the election and how do we have to wait for episode two I don't know check with Matt yeah we'll just quickly we'll go ahead will no thank you Elon apologies if you didn't if you addressed this earlier appreciate how long you've been on this call what subjects outside of Hunter Biden by the way this is Will Kane from Fox News what subjects outside of Hunter Biden were subject to the most government-induced censorship

uh you may not have heard my earlier comment but uh I don't actually I like like I said I've been me personally I've been working on getting Twitter to be healthy and fixing the engine of engineering um I have not been sort of pouring over the Twitter files personally um that's sort of been you know Matt tyvee's doing that and Barry Weiss he's going to do it now as well so um anything I say would be somewhat of a uh you know guesswork really um but uh you know so I I don't know um you know there's obviously a lot of questions around uh uh Jan six um there's questions around uh you know covid there's a lot of questions and but I think the important thing is that we just get um you know bring daylight to all of these things and so anything that Twitter

has done and sometimes I think you know a lot of times Twitter's done things that were just they were just it wasn't malicious it was just foolish so the things that are like looking people for NPCs right for for posting NPC memes so thousands of people were banned yeah exactly right from a good question um with the companies Twitter which um I think most of us agrees is just not right has there been any progress since have you been in discussions with them and what are some other strategies to bring in Revenue so we depend Less on on advertisers you can hear this this is Eric bowling again trust any knowledge or you can have any proof that those there there's some indication that a lot of people on the right side of the political aisle lost a ton of

followers I would say from 2015 2016 all the way through the you know towards the end of 2021 I'll give you a panic totally myself I I lost the 80 000 or so and not until I'm this is literal not until you purchase Twitter did I start gaining followers again in a fairly robust manner is there any proof of that do you have any evidence of of that being sort of a uh a plan or a strategy on Twitter's part um you know again I I said I I have not read the Twitter file so it's definitely difficult for me to say that except you so my my understanding is limited and that's why I would leave it to um and Barry Weiss and ultimately others which is is but if I if I if I say what what what is my best guess is that that was a very different standard applied to Republican

candidates in the U.

S versus a Democrat candidate there appears and emphasizer appears I'm not saying this is definitely the case it appears to have been a double standard where um where Democrats were not censored and and left causes were not censored but right right causes and and Republicans were um and it was and I think this is frankly obvious to anyone who uses Twitter without any expose of Twitter files not even-handed and and it's frankly the the behavior that is to be expected from an organization that is that is based in San Francisco uh Which is far left so from their standpoint it wouldn't seem like that they're they're being um unfair that from their standpoint it's simply how they see the world um I mean I think Matt posted like political contributions of Twitter

being over 99 Democrat so well what kind of viewpoint would you expect people to have then it's the behavior you'd expect from a company that is essentially a distillation of San Francisco politics and I hope that just information I want to make a simple question I want to make a suggestion real quick Elon when you are speaking we can hear you really well when you are listening the background noise from your jet is interfering and can you just mute yourself yeah so anyway I have a question like so when you're you know making the files available to everybody or rather more people I would just like the request that uh that I don't know give it to me because I work for Rebel news and I think we could do a tremendous job covering this as much as anybody else

really yeah so so China so Tim cost is trying to come up by the way Elon just asks you a question but in the meantime you want to go about and I know that persistence has a question as well I'll give you the mic right after persistence but one one question again back to the advertisers Elon not sure if you heard it before um any progress there with the advertisers that stopped advertising on Twitter which we all agree is just not right and any the other strategies to bring Revenue outside of advertising uh you're muted um yeah so I mean so so Apple has fully resumed advertising which is appreciated uh Apple is the single biggest Advertiser on Twitter and historically and and presently so uh thanks Apple for the reasoning advertising um and uh I think

we're we're seeing we are starting to see a lot of other advertisers also resume their spending uh I think the the problem is that they would read all these stories in the media and then um think that they were true and and they're not true um and and then as it's becoming clear that the media stories about Twitter being some sort of like right-wing hellscape which is absolutely is and in fact it is there are far fewer Bots far fewer trolls um and it's I it's actually I think way more fun and interesting um and we're seeing that in the in the user minutes and in the daily average users then then advertisers are like okay I guess uh maybe maybe it is safe to get back in the water and uh so we are we are seeing um advertisers resume advertising on Twitter

so that's that's a good sign um I wish it would be faster but but we are seeing them resume the the more the more concerning Factor on the advertising front is just the um the entire industry-wide drop in advertising which uh Twitter is not immune from so even though advertisers do get get back on the advertising expenditures in general are dropping for all companies and so it is imperative that that Twitter have an alternate Revenue Source hence the subscriber um Revenue which is just very important for both of the just the survival and for of Twitter and to reduce its dependence on on Advertising yeah overall I think you know I I I'm cautiously optimistic about the future yeah so I I I I want to I'll add I'll add one point of credit like I I have no

stats I have nothing against the the old uh you know Executives at Twitter Etc but very objectively speaking what you've done in a month and again that's purely being objective what you've done in a month is [ __ ] insane uh the amount of progress that you've had and where Twitter is at now in such a short period of time um so not that you need more credit because you're getting a lot here but I just want to add to it as well I'll give the mic to to um the persistence who's been waiting uh for a while and then Spike go ahead persistence [Music] my question is threatening to pull money from Twitter if Twitter did not adhere to a policy and additionally do we have any information on congressmen or women who have threatened legislation should Twitter not

adhere to a certain policy unless I was really intrigued by your comment on uh positivity and negativity and tweets you saying that positive tweets would go uh further and I just wanted to see what would constitute the measurement from Twitter uh that would make something positive or negative thank you are you back yeah sure um well the advertisers um for the most part the advertisers are quite rational in that um you know if if you especially if you like your advertising a family friendly product that uh you don't want to be sort of like let's say you're advertising a Disney movie you don't want to have like some super negative uh sort of high speech or you know through the and and also a movie or whatever and and you also they don't want to have not

safe for work content right next to uh ads for children toys and stuff like that so that stuff is quite reasonable and and um and I agree with um advertising advertisers have a right to have their advertising be next to non-advertising con that is consistent with their their brand so that that really just means like uh you know what is is D is is um not attempting to monetize with advertising uh content that advertisers are uncomfortable with so I think in in general it's been okay okay um I mean I think there has been some overzealous action by um activist groups that that pressure the advertisers that then in turn pressure Twitter um and you know we're trying to sort of you know that that I thought was was somewhat unreasonable but uh it I I'm I think

it's gonna Trend in a good direction going forward but I'm I'm not sure but it looks like it's headed in a good direction like I said advertisers are returning to Twitter uh apples back and forth full full ad spend and um I've had I've had a number of conversations with uh The Advertiser groups and and every time I've had those conversations the advertisers have responded positively and and I've also just because they're like I mean they end up reading the the the sort of mainstream media and it's like you know uh and then they end up with with all the wrong impressions of what's going on and I said well have you tried using Twitter do you see these things for yourself and they're like actually it seems fine when we use Twitter like yes that's because

it is fine and so then um and then I also found like look as we try to grow Twitter's user base if if a new user comes on Twitter and then is immediately attacked by trolls and and dumped on they're going to want to leave so because who wants to go it's like going into a party or something and everyone just starts yelling at you you don't want to you're going to want to leave that party you know Twitter does need to be a more welcoming environment for new users and so the the incentives are actually aligned um that if if uh if people come on and and they see interesting funny tweets things that that where they learn learn something new or it's like it's it's entertaining it's funny it's like that's the kind of thing that um we should see more of and uh

and that will that that's consistent with what most advertisers want I think and what what Twitter wants in order to grow the user base and um and there's generally over time it's like it kind of you know PPO pill can be to some degree choose what sort of experience they're like um just like you can choose the radio station like you know some people want to listen to sort of smooth jazz easy listening or they may want to go to you know pop pop music or they want to go to heavy metal thrash and uh you know to each their own or if this was uh you know do you want to have like full contact martial arts or do you want to have a light contact or do you want to do yoga you know and you can decide which one of those what kind of experience you want that's going

to be important in order to have Twitter appeal to a broad audience yeah so that's that's that's the rough game plan oh just put it out really quick he had mentioned different color uh checkbooks for verification different entities was that still going to be part of the new verification process foreign yeah so again like the goal is like to say how do you convey people using Twitter uh as quickly as possible and as clearly as possible what what they're seeing um so there will be um a gold check mark for commercial organizations a great check mark for government and a blue check mark for verified individuals and then there will also be the uh um an organizational affiliation logo so like next next to your check if you let's say a verified user if you are

a professor at Stanford and Stanford is participating in identifying who is a professor then then there would be like a tiny Stanford logo that would appear next to your blue check mark um so the edge is rolling is like see oh this is actually a stem Professor or this person actually does work at Coca-Cola and um and there's a Clarity there will there be a process for this to apply for an organization for you know let's say you're a part of a small news organization and you want to apply for this status will it be available to the public course is something that's going to be very selective uh no it will be available to to the public so it's sort of um you know so it's not going to be like an anointed set of companies um now there will be a strong policy

against uh impersonation and deception so if if uh if it's if if someone's attempting to deceive um users then their account will be suspended that's that's yeah I've got a question here I'll give it to Tom just by a pretty notable person that doesn't disclose the identity but it's a simple question and by the way anyone has a question you could DM me the team is checking all the DMS the question is um plans for crypto Twitter payments whether it's going to be like WeChat or whether you have uh you have plans at all Dogecoin yeah yeah I think we do want to have Twitter and enable both uh regular payments and uh if you had currency uh and and uh and make make it easier to transact with crypto yeah okay I've got another question here from a big YouTuber

as well Elon one of the first uh so they're asking they want to bring YouTube creators to Twitter what's your what's your plan with uh what's your Twitter Creator plan if there is one uh yeah so for video we need to upgrade the the Twitter system to be able to have longer video uh and then and enable creators to derive revenue from from viewership which is a combination of advertising and these are obviously things that need to happen like I said in order for these to happen like you could have a wish list a mile long but if the if engine of engineering is not fixed so that's that's why I am focused on Twitter engineering uh first and foremost um in the absence of that you could have a wish whatever you wish will could not be done because the engineering

is not working hey I have a really great suggestion for you and right after game I let Tom jump in right after you just Tom sorry for for delaying it so much go ahead Kim sorry yeah you know how foreign media is labeled on Twitter often as like Russian controlled state-controlled media why don't we do the same thing in the US with all of these media organizations that that are telling us go to war you know this is all great like why don't we label them as well U.

S government uh uh State media no I think that's a good idea um because like you know it's like SBF gave so much money to different media organizations that and and then they just write these puff pieces and it's like okay we should be labeling that SPF Affiliated media because it is uh like if you're gonna write a puff piece about someone who gave you a ton of money then the public should know that you uh maybe have a bias so yeah I mean I think it should be if if um if if something is taking direction from the space then that information should be made clear to the readers um like like who's really who's really Who's the who really has editorial control to be clear um because that's all part of like trying to give users of Twitter the most accurate

and truthful understanding of what's going on and and be able to calibrate what they read see or hear on Twitter to be able to calibrate the the truthfulness as a function of where it is where is it coming from who is the author who is controlling this from an editorial standpoint um and so then they that you know they can apply reasonable judgment in that case yeah no I agree with you and I think that would be a really good thing to level the playing field because when you want to find out about what's going on in Ukraine and you get it from sources that are labeled certain way and then the U.

S news sources are not labeled at all you know the the problem with that is that people think this source is trustworthy and this source is not trustworthy so if Twitter has labels like this then they need to be applied fairly also against media that is clearly pro-war and clearly infiltrated by commentators from the intelligence Community who are telling us all this [ __ ] about why we have to be at War I agree this is the maximum truth is the crucial still you know set you free Tom Jones I know you've been waiting for a while Tom thank you thank you for having me so maybe just a couple more questions and then I gotta go back to work here I'll I'll ask him yeah and we appreciate it keep innovating and keep creating thank you and Elon I'll I'll I'll I'll

I'll I'll go ahead Tom 's here yeah so I'll jump in Elon um my question to you because Tom's not it's not working on his end uh that's actually a simple question I'm gonna shoot my shot if I can get a DM on Twitter so I have a line of communication and then I can try to get you on and convince you to join more spaces so it's our question it's just uh giving it a shot on my end I appreciate you joining again oh yeah John go ahead man I I said my word yeah thank you this is Tom fitting with Judicial Watch Elon appreciate your public service and your transparency efforts here you know my concern is you know as the head of a watchdog group is the government corruption in response you know not only to what you potentially May uncover but in response to what

you're doing and when you have the president of the United States from the podium celebrate his election victory for by calling for a National Security review of your activities you have Senators High you know focusing on you you have other government agencies investigating you and your other businesses uh are you concerned a about the retaliation and B are you seeing evidence of it government is slow to act so this is the thing about that's important to appreciate about anything anything government related is that they're not nimbled they are slow so I think the actions that that we'll see and I think there probably will be some actions we'll we'll happen but they'll happen slowly and it's only been it's only been a month so far but I wouldn't I would

expect uh I would expect some you know there's probably not there's probably at least a few nefarious things that are in the works right now probably I would say this would be uh naive to assume that there were no nefarious thing and so I guess if but I I will just expose them on Twitter and see what happens well the most important thing you don't have any Suicidal Thoughts do you Elon I do not have any Suicidal Thoughts I uh I I if I committed suicide it's not real well that was that was that was a good one Claire I know he he likes to jump off so maybe one one more question and one or two a clay and then Ian I'll let you end it Ian because you've done a great job asking questions earlier clay go ahead yeah you're on this is uh clay Travis with uh out

kick Fox News and radio show with Clayton Park um you said earlier and I think it's so important that you were thinking about just letting everybody know when you get a governmental request to censor someone or take down tweets what what kind of process is in play there and to what extent can that happen because I think you're right the sunlight of the government being embarrassed when they're going after James Woods for instance would drastically reduce any attempts at censorship what's the update date there what kind of time frame and do you think that's able to be implemented yeah you're muted Elon I mean as I said earlier like we will Twitter will do what whatever it is allowed to do uh within the boundaries of the law um to be as transparent and

open as possible um and even something if we're currently are and I don't know this to be the case but if we're all currently drained by the law I think we will push to have the law modified to reduce those constraints because I think we have to you know we have to find hard for for free speech which is the Bedrock of a functioning democracy and uh I think you'll you'll see the the proof will be in the pudding and in the coming months I think you'll see dramatic improvements in the transparency and trustworthiness of Twitter you know hopefully you've seen at least some of that already um and it will it will get better and I think it will get better in an accelerating way provided I don't accidentally suicide myself which I'm not going to do Elon thank

you so much time today you have been such a blessing to join us to give us your insights I really appreciate it don't forget to make that Poll for Edward Snowden and Julian Assange yeah I'll be interested to know what the public things of these two people and what they're fighting for I I will yeah and uh and that's and I'll emphasize that I'm not making a judgment here I'm just asking I'll do it right after this Twitter space is ends right asking the public a question you know just that's right picking a poll yeah so I have a question okay so yeah you know this is just a question I'm not look okay so I got a question since you know like this is the last one what message do you have for all the haters and losers out there who are you know making fun of

you or attacking Twitter said it was going to die like four weeks ago what's your message Twitter is alive baby hell yeah hell yeah beautiful I look forward to the test by earnings call right here on on Twitter with you Elon Musk yeah I think I I think it will work you know I got the DM so I assume the promise you made you Kim and the promise you made your title should go through Elon really appreciate you and uh Mario see you back hope to see you again soon I really appreciate it man thank you Elon all right thanks guys bye I told you it was worth listening and this is the kind of stuff I talk about all the [ __ ] time over on my patreon account if you're not already member you know what to do by now there's over 230 videos many of them diving down these

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