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So, I guess >> Hey everybody. Wasn't it great to hear from Lars? >> You can just tell he just he loves what he's doing and that that really just comes through when you talk to him. Uh, somebody else that loves what they do is our next pseudo surprise. We announced it what an hour or something ago. You might know him. He's a guy named Elon. Maybe you've heard of him. He's got a couple followers on this platform called X. I don't know.

You know, some new guy. No. Uh Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla, will be joining us virtually here momentarily and to chat with them for second or third year in a row now. Gosh, second year in a row. Please welcome back, of course, John and Kelvin from the Tesla Owners Club of Silicon Valley. All right, let's go. Have fun, guys. >> Ah, man, the raceh horses out there always causing a ruckus. Family-friendly event, guys. Crazy. What a day. What a day.

So, obviously, uh, thank you so much to Lars and Steve for coming on here. And I believe we have Elon on, so it's just a matter of, uh, I feel like, >> you know, just bringing him on the screen and stuff. >> Yeah. Whoa, Elon, what's up? >> Oh, giant on a giant screen. >> Yeah, it actually kind of looks like Mars in some ways. >> It just perseverance. >> Is that a cap right there, too?

>> That's the Perseverance ro It's a Perseverance rover on Mars. >> Oh my gosh, that's awesome. >> Yeah. >> Well, first off, Elon, thanks for coming to the X Takeover, uh, formerly Tesla Takeover for the second year in a row. You're welcome. >> Well, let's uh let's kick things off. Let's start start off with uh you know uh really your baby, the Starship. Starship is the most ambitious rocket ever built.

What's been harder than expected and what's the next milestone we should watch for? Um well I I thought everything would be hard so it's not like uh I was like >> it would be easy. >> Yeah. Yeah. So I mean Starship is a is a crazy program on so many levels.

uh because uh you've got something with uh two and a half uh and future versions will be three times the thrust of the Saturn 5 moon rocket which was previously the largest rocket and largest flying object ever made. So Starship is um you know three times thrust roughly twice the weight of the next largest flying object ever made and has the the goal of being fully and rapidly reusable.

So this is a this is a really crazy thing to I think it's it's really one of the hardest engineering challenges that exists. Um and uh you know when we first started talking about Starship people thought this was impossible. In fact even within the company we we sort of thought it was impossible and it had a very high sort of what I call giggle factor.

Uh you know you mention the thing and people immedately start giggling like at the absurdity of it all. Um so now but now it's gone from uh as say we you know I guess I specialize in the uh in going from the uh impossible to the merely late. Um so that's my skill. Uh it wasn't possible now it's just late. Um so and I encourage anyone who's interested to go and and visit Starbase in South Texas. It's like a magical land uh with gigantic rockets.

I think some of you have been there and seen it. >> It's very inspiring. It's like I take part for take friends and family. It's on a major highway, so you can see things quite close up. >> Um, and really get a sense for the scale of the of the the rocket and the factory and everything. So, it's it's very cool.

Um I I guess the the thing that I thought would be hardest currently is the hardest which is the creating a fully reusable orbital heat shield which has never been done before. So normally the heat shields are um they're they're expandable and even say for the shuttle heat shield they would lose many of the the tiles on every flight and they'd have to refurbish the heat shield between each flight.

So it's it's never no one has ever created a fully reusable orbital heat shield before. Um and no one in fact no one has created a fully reusable orbital rocket before. Um and Falcon 9 is the first rocket where there's at least the boost stage uh is reusable on a regular basis. Um and where it actually makes economic sense.

So um so so solving the heat shield problem is I think probably the single biggest remaining challenge for Starship and um and of course getting the upper stage or the ship to land and also get caught by the the giant metal chopsticks which uh looks looks like a sci-fi movie that looks it looks like an impro improbable sci-fi movie. the whole thing. >> Chopsticks literally catching it. Catching it. >> Yeah. Uh giant metal chopsticks.

Uh that's um it's pretty wild to be catching the largest flying object ever made with metal chopsticks out of the air.

Um, so then the but I'm hopeful that the ship will be will be recovered maybe this year but certainly I'd say in the first half of next year and then there'll be further improvements to make the ship and the booster not just reusable but fully and rapidly reusable uh which will actually drop the cost per flight cost per ton of payload of Starship below that of a of of a Falcon 1 rocket of an expandable Falcon 1.

So that that getting 100 tons or more to orbit of useful payload will cost less than a rocket that would ordinarily deliver half a ton. That was Falcon 1. And it's because all you're you're doing is replacing the um the fuel and oxygen in the rocket as opposed to building a new rocket. Um and most of the propellant is actually oxygen, not not fuel. But it's almost 80% oxygen, 20% fuel.

Uh then the next big technology challenge after being able to achieve full re of the full reuse of the ship is orbital refilling where um where where we actually refill propellant from from over like like um like aerial re refueling. In this case, it's orbital refilling. I say refilling, not refueling because most of what's transferred is actually liquid oxygen as opposed to fuel.

Um, so for orbital refilling, uh, you need to have two starships come together and dock and transfer propellant from one, uh, starship to another and then and then in the future to an orbit orbital propellant depot. Yeah. So that's that's the situation. >> Doesn't sound hard. It just >> I mean it is very achievable.

There's nothing um nothing impossible is is being talked about here, but it is it is very uh tricky to do and and and uh no no other organization is even trying to do this. It's like it's not like well who else is trying to do this? Well, nobody actually. So um in fact even after all these years there's still no company that's uh reusing a booster.

So, uh, no one's even tried to do Balcon 9 level reusability, even even though we've shown that that it clearly makes a ton of sense, uh, because, you know, compare the cost of any form of transport where if you have to throw away the item afterwards, like like if you've got if if you had to if every time you drove somewhere you had to throw away the car, uh, you'd be wow, that's a that's a that's a that's a crazy car where you have to throw away after every every time you drive it.

But that's how it works for for rockets. So that is really um yeah, I don't think anyone would be driving a car if you had to buy a new car every time you drove somewhere and then you'd have to tow another car behind you for the return journey. >> Elon, what does a >> So yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So talk about the impossible. Elon, what does a self-sustaining city on Mars actually look like? How many people? What kind of economy?

What kind of governance? >> Well, uh that that'll that'll governance will be up to the Martians. Um but uh you know, we have some sort of artist impressions of what a Mars city would look like. Uh the and I don't really know to be honest. um you know to accept that we you know Mars is not yet at the point where we're sort of terraformed where you could live outdoors.

So uh you you'd have to live initially in uh glass domes or um something like that. And um and then you could you could walk outside with with a Mars suit, but you you could you could not walk outside without a Mars suit. Um so um yeah it's uh but but I should also say like like maybe explain for those who haven't heard of like like why why why is it worth doing something like this? Um what's the purpose of of Mars?

Shouldn't we just focus on Earth? And I'm like, "Yeah, I think we should focus on Earth." Like 99% of what we do should be focused on Earth. Uh but maybe 1% of what we do should be uh should be focused on on becoming a space fairing civilization and a multilanet species.

Uh because uh there there's the defensive argument where it's um you know it's it's um yeah if something were to happen to Earth and that destroyed civilization, this could be World War II or it could be a meteor like the one that destroyed the dinosaurs.

then we want to make sure that the tiny candle of consciousness that exists uh with with humanity does not go out and uh so so I think it's important to be a multilanet species to ensure the long-term survival of consciousness um and all and all the life forms that that we we have here on earth. So, and you know the the the other life forms can't extend life to another planet. Uh but but we we can do it for them.

We can we can bring the other >> Oh >> And and to be clear, I'm I'm an optimist. I mean, I think the most likely outcome is that the future will be good, but there's a small chance that the future that something will go wrong. And if if so, we don't want uh the light of consciousness to go out on a you know, we want we want the light of conscious light of consciousness to continue. Um so that's kind of the defensive argument.

And then the then there's also the sort of uh the the the sort of the the inspiration argument which is that um life can't be just about solving one sort of miserable problem you about the future that make you that make you excited to be alive and make you you know you wake up in the morning you're like I can't wait to see what happens to have these things like that too and what they learn everyone on Earth just like the Apollo program was inspiring to everyone on Earth whether you went there or obviously very few people went there but but it was in a way we all vicariously went to the moon um and it was a great achievement to humanity and it was very inspiring to people all all around the world so and you know learning more about the nature of the universe

and and seeing what what's happening out there even if you don't go yourself is still very very inspiring.

So that yeah I think those are all things that matter a lot. >> Yeah. I mean it's truly truly inspiring what SpaceX and even Tesla are doing. Do you ever foresee SpaceX going? >> Oh, >> hello. >> Yeah. Are you there? >> Are you there? >> Sorry, guys. If you're talking to me, I cannot hear you. >> All right. Do you want to go check with Can you hear me? Do you want to go check with Noah real quick? >> Yeah. >> Strange. >> Can you hear us, Elon?

Should I make a joke out of this or not? >> Hold on. >> Can you hear me now, Elon? >> Yeah, the audio hopefully we back in seconds, but uh bear with us as we navigate this. >> At least Elon's still there with the uh Perseverance rover. >> Check. Check, >> John. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? >> Are we back? >> Well, I don't think we can hear him, guys. >> People are waving at you, Elon, if you can't see them.

But yeah, sorry about these audio difficulties. Hopefully, we can get this up and running. >> Can you hear me? >> Are you there? >> Can you hear me? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I was going to ask you to dance while you were waiting silently, but uh you know figured uh we'd wait for that. I'm joking. >> What did you did you hear what I said earlier? >> Yeah, we did. Um and then I think Yeah. Yeah, for sure. No.

So, we were what the what the question was is we were asking, do you think that SpaceX is eventually going to go interstellar? >> Is there a plan? >> Well, hopefully I s Yeah. And probably not in my lifetime, but probably not lifetime, but uh >> yes, eventually. >> Elon, can you hear me? >> I can hear you. Yes. >> Okay, let's talk about robo taxi. How do you see the robo taxi platform coexisting with the rest of Tesla's lineup?

Will it replace the Model 3? And why? Um well this cyber cap which is a two-seater and that would that would not replace the the three and y because three and y have fourseater and six-seater capability. So I think you'd find that the cyber cab would be for one or two passengers and then dynamically it would call the model three model 3 pool or wire for four passengers or wire for six passengers.

Um and you know then we'll have the large vehicles but I mean this this is not the forum for making many for our product announcements. Uh, uh, to be totally honest, >> no worries. >> I gotta be, you know, little careful here about what I say. >> We got you. Uh, does Tesla plan on owning a large fleet of robo taxis? And then when will private citizens be able to go on the Tesla network? >> Uh, yes.

will own some of the uh the fleet will be Tesla owned and some of the fleet will be customer owned. So you could think of it as model kind of like maybe some combination of Uber and Airbnb where um you know some people own the cars and then add or subtract them to the fleet and and some cars are owned by Tesla uh directly.

So, if robo taxi succeeds, Elon, how uh how does Tesla navigate the paradox of making the best cars in the world, but also possibly needing fewer of them? Well, guys, I think it's tough for me to answer questions because Tesla is a publicly traded company and so, you know, this is This is the most interesting questions you'd want to ask me are the questions I can't really answer. >> Yeah. >> No. Yeah, of course.

No, we definitely don't want to put you on the spot there. Um, so I think you posted a week or two ago about um and even uh Lars mentioned it about um just uh the Roadster program and how it's still active. What can you tell us about its current development status? Well, we're we're aiming for a demonstration uh at the end of this year.

Um I mean the roadster is not something that's going to meaningfully affect say the financials of the company um because it's too small relative to other programs. Um it's uh it is very cool. Um hopefully we're able to demo later this year but or early next latest [Applause] >> you said that Optimus could be more valuable than Tesla's entire automotive business. >> What's what's the road map from where we are today to widespread deployment?

you know, again, you're really asking me for questions that are highly sensitive to the value of the company. And so, uh, that's not really something I can answer. Um, all right.

the the current design the version three of option I think is the right design to go to volume production um but it is a significant redesign from uh version two um so in fact almost nothing stays the same so I was really faced with a choice of should we make several thousand version two octopus robots when we know the design can be much better or should we pause do version three which is much better um and uh you know and we maybe have I don't know a few hundred robots instead of a few thousand robots by the end of the year and I think the right decision was to go with version three and then scale production significantly next year.

Um, now the in terms of the value of of optimists, you really need to think of the basic question of of who who wouldn't want their own possible C3PO R2-D2. >> I think I think with that I mean let's ask the crowd. Would you guys like >> Do you guys want an optimist? >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It very It would be very cool. Um and uh it it would actually be by the way much better than in functionality than C3PO and RTD2. So it would be super useful.

So I think basically everyone on Earth is going to want one and and then you you're going to have a bunch in industry. Um, so that's why I think there's probably it's probably world's biggest product because there's at least a market for probably 20 billion. Um, maybe it could be 50 billion. I don't know a lot.

So um you know hypothetically if Tesla was making a billion of these a year at scale and at scale the cost gets lower and lower so maybe it like on the order of $20,000. I'm just guessing there and you know that's that's 30 trillion in revenue. insane. >> Uh, you know, there's a long long way to go between here and making a billion robots a year. >> Yeah. >> But but I I do think something like that may happen. >> Yeah.

>> What would you say is Optimus going to have the biggest impact on? Do you think it's going to start obviously in manufacturing like or at what not not necessarily timeline but like where do you see Optimus having the biggest impact? >> Um well initially it would go to very high value things. So like say somebody um needs a lot of um medical care or something.

So like if you know often could be like a 24-hour a day uh nurse or helper uh to someone that is um quadriplegic or something like that um you know or something just really is it and needs physical help. So that's the kind of thing which would be life-changing for a lot of people. Um those would be the the highest value initial use cases. [Music] It will also be used in situations where it's uh the work is very dangerous.

Um so or um where there's a lot of repetitive tasks. Um but like any work that's that's that's risk life or some kind of injury uh would be a good initial use case for Optimus. >> When you look ahead in 10 years, what's more transformative? Full self-driving or Optimus? Um, optimist >> seems like that was an easy one. You've >> Well, I do like this is a it's very hard to do. So, it's not like it just it's so hard. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

I see you're uh drinking some good old Diet Coke, by the way. Shout out to those. Um you've hinted uh that we may reach digital super intelligence this year or next. How will we know that we've crossed that line? And what does one of AGI what does day one of AGI really look like? >> Well, I'm not sure.

I'm sure it's like a a massive it may be less profound than the At least the first will be less profound like AI has not done yet is invent new technologies that are useful. So uh it hasn't has discovered new physics and it has not invented technologies that are useful but I think that is something that that that that will happen. >> Yeah. If Grock becomes smarter than any human, what role do we play?

Are we co-pilots, overseers, or just legacy code? >> Well, it won't just be drug. Uh there will be many AI. Um there will be at least I think four major guys, maybe five. um just in the United States. Uh and so even if was not developed, there would still be digital super intelligence.

Um, and I I've been fighting, you know, personally sort of driving hard on digital super intelligence for a long time because I wasn't sure if this is a double-edged sword or a single edge sword or what. But it it became very obvious after a while that this was going to happen whether I participated or not. So therefore I had a choice of either be a spectator or a participant but that it was going to happen with or without me.

So then I think well okay rather be a participant than a spectator. And um I can focus on AI safety which in my um view and I've thought about this for a long time is that the most important thing for AI safety is to be maximally truth seeeking. Um which means often like saying things that are maybe politically incorrect but actually factually correct.

Um and also um there'll be mistakes that are made than admitting the mistakes and taking correct taking corrective action and GRO still has a long way to go uh to actually truth seeking but I think this goal is also consistent with uh inventing new technologies uh you know solving medical problems uh you know you know if you want If you want to cure cancer, you have to be maximally truth seeeking to understand what the root cause is for example.

So, so I think that's actually very fundamental both for safety and for usefulness.

And yeah, so now the the economy of the future I think is going to look uh sort of quite different from where does today um and AI and robotics uh in the good scenario which we're working towards you know trying to ensure makes that we do have the good scenario Um there will be no shortage of products and services for anyone like basically anyone will be able to have any products and services they want.

Um that's the productivity gains from AI and robotics are just uh astounding to think about. Like I think I think it could increase the the size of the economy by a factor of 10 or more. Like it it will eliminate poverty. Um and you really will be in a situation where anyone can have anything they want. Um the bigger challenge may be finding uh meaning in life.

So if if the robot can do anything that you can do but maybe better how do you find meaning in life >> that's that may be the biggest challenge >> when you think of the fact you know you mentioned that you know you've been holding off on um you know really getting involved whether it's you know participating versus being a spectator and when you're thinking of the next couple of years of like let's say not necessarily catching up but just doubling down and really focusing on it.

What are going to be your biggest focus points? >> Really, it's making it useful um and making it safe for humanity and making it uh love humanity essentially and be you know you want it to be useful and friendly. Um, so those are the most important things. Um, I I I've never seen any technology advance as fast as AI. So, and I've seen a lot of technologies advance. >> Yeah.

>> So, the rate of I I call it and maybe this is a discomforting metaphor, but AI is a A supersonic tsunami >> does not sound fun, but yeah, >> it sounds sounds a little scary in that way, but it's in terms of maybe in terms of uh exceeding prior technologies. Uh it's like supersonic and and you really do need to pair AI with robotics.

Yeah, I I think it's uh it's crazy just how much it's advanced in just the past year or two years and and seeing how kids are using it looking using Grock 4, Grock voice, the companions now. Um, >> yeah, >> I think you've answered this before, but what would what keeps you up at night when you think of the future of AI?

And now that you're doubling down and really just going um wartime mode right now on just tackling this these issues, what is uh what is something that keeps you up at night? Well, AI safety um and making sure the AI is aligned with uh humanity and wants to foster and grow and better humanity and you know basically we want to be like if you could you could look into a crystal ball right now and see the future needs to be the future one.

And so I mean I have this kind of like new um term for the goal of Tesla. The goal of Tesla previously was uh accelerating the advancement of sustainable energy which is like a very good goal.

And then the reason I pursued that rather than AI because I could have pursued AI from the beginning was because I was confident that that sustainable energy was a single-edge sword only like it was only a good edge you know so we sure that okay we succeed in that like okay that's that's definitely good sustainable energy by definition is great um you have cleaner air and you know and can run out of whatever the source fuel is uh with with combination solar, batteries, and electric cars, then that's a that's an unequivoc for AI, like I said, there's it is more of a double-edged sword risk.

Um, but but I think it most likely will be good. and most likely will bring immense prosperity and you know it's going to figure out how to cure every disease. Um, and uh it's it's probably going to be awesome, but I think we need to be uh careful and not complacent and and we actually be somewhat paranoid uh to make sure that um we have the good AI future and not the bad AI future.

Um, so I mean from from a Tesla's stock standpoint I think with autonom autonomous cars and and especially with with Optimus the it does go to to sort of crazy levels. I'd always recommend like looking at uh Kathy Wood and Arinvest analysis. Uh they're they've been right in the past. Um, and I think they're right this time.

And again, with a lot of difficult execution, I I I think, you know, people out there said, "Well, Tesla's valuation could be 25 trillion." I and I think that that's probably correct. If we execute uh well on autonomous transport and optimus, it actually does get to a 20 to30 trillion valuation. Uh that's 20 to 30 times what it is today. >> Everyone's cheering. >> Yeah. Um yeah, the math is uh math is clear.

Um, so it's just it's just a massive amount of work and but but like I think if we do that massive amount of work that's what will happen. Elon let's talk about Neurolink. You've described Neurolink in the past as a way to solve the input output bottleneck between humans and machines, right? >> What's the long-term vision? Is Neuralink a medical company or is it the first step towards symbiosis with AI?

>> It's it's thoughtful as a medical technology.

So, Neurolink's initial goals are really to uh help people uh who have say quadriplegic tetroplegic situ they've lost the use of their body um and to be able to enable them to control their bone computer just by thinking and I think we have eight eight patients so far and all eight um love the device and and are uh using it every So it's it's helped a lot of people and I think we're uh Tesla team the neuralinking team is aiming to do about 20 uh patients uh by the end of this year.

So it's accelerating. And then next year we'll be doing the uh blind sight implement which will enable people who are completely blind like if they've lost both eyes and optic nerve and still be able to see um interfacing directly with visual cortex. So there a lot of cool things like that.

Um so the focus essentially is uh fixing um serious medical issues and as prove out the safety and efficacy and um then eventually at some point uh you could get cybernetic enhancements. So it could could uh be something that massively augments intelligence um and allows you to communicate at ultra high speeds. Um so it it's very sci-fi. Um, and and it could even get to the point where you could upload your memories.

Uh, and and essentially have a a saved version of yourself. Um, and then I'm I'm speculating here, but but but then maybe download that into uh a new on a closed body either robot. I'm really getting into sci-fi here, but but like download that into a robot body if you want or a clone version of your original self.

You know, they they certainly made sci-fi movies, written books about this, so these are not new ideas, but I I do think stuff like that will be possible.

um which would give you I guess a form of or anybody wants it uh a form of immortality and to be clear I do think these things will be available to anyone who wants to do it so it's not going to be sort of limited to a few sort of you know uh elite members of society I think it will be available to everyone who wants it >> it it's crazy just to think, you know, with Neuralink, Grock, the Gro Companion, and even the humanoid robot, how do you do you see I mean, it just feels like more and more uh whether it's Grock, the Grock Companion, and then Neurolink, I know we we did an interview with Brad who was the third patient who has ALS and um he was also utilizing Grock.

Um >> yeah, >> what do you what do you see continuing to see that integration between let's say Neurolink and even even Grock um as things continue to grow?

Yeah, a graph will actually be able to understand the signals from your so the neural links connecting to your brain and then sending the signals to Grog and then Grog can actually understand those signals at a at kind of like a a binary level um as opposed to having to translate it into words. And so greatly improve the efficiency with which you can use your Neurolink device.

Um like it's so I mean we're really getting into some interesting philosophical questions or interesting questions like if you think about how much of your your mental capacity your mind is used to take a complex thought or image in your mind and translate that into words and it's and it's very lost. because how can you really with words convey say an image that you have in your mind?

Um it's very difficult to do so and and if you're not like if you're not an artist it's actually very difficult to actually get the image from your mind onto a computer or paper. Um but but the but the computer could do that.

You could say okay this is the image that you want to produce and well let's say like there's a complex series of concepts that you want to convey to someone else and and if both people have a neural link you'll be able to convey a complex uh series of ideas u uncompressed in their full form to someone else's mind as opposed to reducing ing complex con concepts down to um a few sentences and trying to get someone else to hear what those sentences are, decompress those sentences in their mind and try and try to understand the concepts that are in your mind.

So this is why I call it uh conceptual telepathy. So this would greatly improve communication and understanding between humans. You've mentioned restoring vision and mobility, but the idea of writing to the brain >> and hearing too. Sorry. So, it's like basically if if there's if there's any sense or brain injury in principle that sensory function or that brain injury can be solved with a neural link. So that includes uh curing sight smell.

I don't people not many people have lost their sense of smell but um feeling it could be um like if somebody has a stroke and they've lost the ability to move um left arm, a neural link could restore that ability. Um it it's it's really a very powerful general purpose uh input output device uh that can address you know over time any uh brain or neurological issue. So if somebody's having seizures uh it it could actually stop the seizures.

Um, it could I think probably fix uh schizophrenia like a lot of there's a lot of things that could like in principle it can fix basically anything that's to do with the brain or um neurons or your senses. >> Is there anything that would be like is there a a most difficult problem to solve in that space then? Um because technically a lot of it could be solved.

Is there something that would uh maybe you would see bigger blockers on trying to solve as far as um fixing those problems? [Music] >> I'm not aware blockers right now. It's just that when you're putting devices in humans, you have to be very careful and to make sure that uh no damage is done and is that the implant works. um and without any negative side effects.

And so far uh you know, knock on wood, we're betting a thousand here and and and you know, patients have the devices have worked and they've no meaningful side effect. So that's it's it's really just Yeah, it's pretty cool. But it's just in order to be safe that does slow us down. Um, and of course we we interact very closely with the with the FDA and for for approvals and stuff. So it's it's not just uh Neurolink in a vacuum here.

It's it's with regulatory approval from the FDA. So uh and and then you do need different variants of neural link device for solving different things. So for example for uh well the teleathy product which is what we have in the uh eight patients so far that interfaces with the motor cortex in the brain.

So it's like like literally it's someone will will think about moving their hand neural link device will read that signal in the motor cortex and then move the mouse on your on their computer. Um and then for sight it's a different thing because you've got to stimulate the visual cortex and the visual cortex is in a different location and it's and it's a little deeper.

So you've got so you've got to put the electrodes a little bit deeper to reach the visual cortex. And in this case it's it's uh it's not reading it's writing. It's it's effectively writing pixels to the visual cortex. This is something we've had working in monkeys for um about three years now. Uh, in fact, one of our monkeys has both a telepathy implant and a blind sight implant. And he's a very happy monkey.

Um, I do want to emphasize we take uh great care of our of our animals. Um, this is a really big deal because I I've always said like imagine if we were in their position. Well, let's let's just do all the things that if that if we were in that position, we'd do. Um, and the USA inspector that came by to check out our facilities, she said in her entire career, she's never seen a nicer monkey enclosure ever.

And and let me tell you, monkeys love for the lefty implant. Uh, monkeys are just like us. They they love playing video games and eating snacks. So, if you look if you look at that video of Paige around I think it's like four years old now, you see he's just he's just sitting on a branch uh sipping a banana smoothie. Um, which he gets every time he stores. He gets a sip of a smoothie.

Um and he's but he's not being held down like he likes playing the game. >> So just really just like humans likes likes snacks and video games and yeah same same thing. >> One question I have like building a humanoid robot and neural link intersect if at all I mean what are the learnings from that? Um is there any overlap? Yeah. >> Well, I have to say building a humanoid robot has really made me think a lot about how the human body works.

You gain a new appreciation for actually just how awesome at design the human body is. Now admittedly, you know, I think some parts of the human body could be better, like the spine. Like, why do we have so much back pain? It's very annoying. >> Maybe uh don't fight sumo wrestlers, man. >> Yeah, seriously, Doug Moore.

Um, but you know, yeah, typically, you know, everyone has back pain in some point in their life, which is also a thing you're linking soul. So that'd be cool, too. Um, but no, your optimist has really made me think a lot about how our hands work. Um, how we balance, how we do different things. Um, but maybe more than anything, just how incredible our hands are. They're it's like, wow.

Um things that our hands do like the hands in Optimus are half or more than half of the electromechanical problem and the entire rest of the body is is a half. >> Wow. That's crazy. >> Yeah. And and it's like honestly you look to your hands you're like and you move and if you and if you feel your forearm like the almost all the muscles that control your hand are actually in your forearm and and and they're pulling your fingers like like puppets.

So yeah, there's only a a small number of muscles that are in that in your hand itself, but your hand is all being controlled through tendons that go either through or above your carpal tunnel. Um, and your hand is being operated like a marionette from your forearm. >> Yeah. >> One thing that's crazy I just see I just Yeah.

I mean it's crazy how much the the human body whether it's like you know Tesla vision going you know just trying to see what kind of like similar to how uh humans view the the world right and getting rid of the radar and then same thing with the humanoid robot and just you know thinking and seeing how um the human body works um is there anything more specifically even within the human body that will continue to infer whether it's the humanoid robot And it sounds like obviously the the the hand is the big one of the biggest problems.

Um but but are there other parts of the body too that would >> um continue to help infer other parts of the the humanoid robot or again it's just yeah with Tesla vision and and eyesight. >> Well with with Optimus we're able to reuse the autopilot computer. So, Oculus is uh intelligence is powered by the AI4, the same computer that controls the car and you know a small battery pack that's similar to the car battery pack.

So, there's a lot of simaries with the car. Uh and and then the AI that's in the car is similar to the AI that will be in Optimus running AI4 hardware and then AI5 hardware when that's ready. So there a lot of parallels um but the limiting factor is the hand. Yeah. >> Um, but I'm convinced that Optimus will be the biggest product ever. Um, yeah. So, and then of course autonomy is starting to roll out.

um car but will be in uh many cities in throughout the United States later this year and hopefully many countries um uh next year. >> Yeah, here in the Bay Area we have a bunch of FOMO. Everyone's looking at Austin right now. Uh, I can tell you I uh I always uh whenever I open that robo taxi app, man, it just the geoence just the figurine is insane. >> It's funny. Yeah. Yeah.

>> I mean, you got to have some fun, you know, don't take yourself too seriously type of thing. [Applause] >> Let's uh switch and talk about X. You've called X and here we are at X takeover. You've called X the everything app, but it's still in a transitional phase. What exactly do you want X to be in 5 years? >> Um I mean X is definitely improving. It's mean it's evolved a lot from Twitter.

can only have like uh you know short text tweets and um like two minute videos to the point where now you can have like 4hour videos and you can write a novel um if you want on the system. So it's it's gone sort of fully multimodal from long videos to long text to anything in between. Um and uh we're currently really improving the the DM system.

So with a new system called Xhat uh which enables audio video calling uh it's all fully encrypted uh peer-to-peer style like Bitcoin. Um and the asset test is that even if somebody uh puts the gun to my head, I still can't read your messages. That's the test. Um, so it's like very secure and and and also like you do calling and and and video with it.

Uh, and then there's the uh kind of X money or Xinance release which is uh hope hopefully only a few months away. We actually have it operating in beta within the company. Um, and that that'll be a major factor.

Um so but but ex as much as possible at ensuring uh freedom like freedom of speech uh within the as much as we can within the bounds of the law and you know also like aspiration trying to reach for the truth of things like you see that in uh community notes where community notes will will correct someone even if they're are very powerful communic community notes will correct me it'll correct presidents CEOs um even major advertisers and uh even if that cost us money so I think it's generally there's a lot of good things that have happened um we're trying to improve the algorithm which we know kind of sucks right now >> sorry about No, not at all.

>> I actually enjoy it, but >> Okay. Okay, good. Well, um, >> some days are crazier than others, like when the geoence expanded and some of these other things, but um, yeah. No, I don't know if you have any opinions, Kelvin. >> Sorry, your voice was a bit low there. I couldn't hear a question. >> Oh, I was saying the algorithm can be crazy some days, especially like when the robo taxi geoence expanded. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.

would they have been the overarching goal of the algorithm is to try to show people information they would find most interesting.

Um but right now it'll show you too much of one thing you know so if whatever the sort of interesting thing of the day is right now it'll the X algorithm will show you too much of that and it's like okay I don't need to see it 20 times you know um you know I think I think I've seen like the Sydney Sweeney Jeans thing about 400 times this point and it's like okay the first few times was good, but we shouldn't show things like 100 times um because because you want to learn new things.

Um >> so, but X is making steady progress being offering um you know, pretty much everything you'd want to do. And yeah, I feel good about where it's headed. payments. We're We've all I know we're waiting on that and just uh you know thinking about even PayPal too. It's crazy just what fate loves irony doing um x. com back in what the late 90s and >> um then full force buying it you know years back and now um now you're doing payments again.

>> Yeah. That's it's a sort of poetic end or or or re returning to something that we're sort of unfinished with PayPal and completing the product line. >> What role do you think Grock and XAI play in the future of X? Is it just a feature, a core intelligence layer, or does that change how people experience the platform? Yeah, Groth.

Um, I think it's pretty helpful because that that that Groth button which you can press about any given post on the system and its analysis of a post is usually quite accurate. It's it it doesn't bat a thousand, but it's really gives you deeper insight into any given piece of information that somebody posts on the system. Uh, you can figure out more context. uh helps you figure out if it's true or not.

Um and we actually just added uh Grock for all advertising in the system. So you can you can press the graph button and see, hey, is this ad is this product going to work or is it uh is this product legit or not? Which I kind of always wanted to have on ads, you know, it's like, does this thing really work? Um, that's what I want to ask a lot of ads. And now on the X systems, you can ask, does this thing really work?

I guess advertisers where Grock says it doesn't really work. I'm probably not going to advertise very long. Um, maybe it'll encourage better honesty in advertising, which I think would be a good thing. But we're just generally trying to make X a system that you can trust more than any other system. And I think I think it is there already. It does not say that X is perfect. Uh, it it's definitely mistakes.

But is there any other social media company you trust more than X? >> No. >> Nope. >> So like I'm not trusting Facebook, you know. Um, so not to pick on Facebook, whatever, but um, you know, I think it's actually probably fair to say that X is the most trustworthy or least untrustworthy of social networks.

>> Yeah, I think that became very apparent uh, just when you saw like when you just compare of like the news during COVID and things being censored. >> Yeah. Um, and you know, just you come to X and you can find out what's really happening. Uh, >> and it's real time. It's really like the I would say the, you know, the world's discourse in town square, right? It can sometimes be a fist fight it feels like.

>> But at the same time, it's just, you know, where you can find out what's really going on, >> right? That and that's the goal. And I I do want to emphasize obviously there's a long way to go.

It's it's uh far from perfecting but I I do think it's getting better over time and you know sometimes it's uh two steps forward one step back but the trend over time I think is very good for X being the place where you can figure out what's really going on in the world um against the truth and you can ask rockmore um and you can also learn a lot of things so you can ask if there's a a new uh thing that's invented or announced, you can ask Grock on the system more about it and instantly educate yourself.

>> Yeah, I don't think I've >> and then we we monitor when Grock gets things wrong and then we we feed that we feed that back into the system to make it aspirationally less wrong over time. Yeah, it's really just crazy to think um you know when you talk to Grock and you can ask it for just things in your timeline. Hey, make a post sound like me on this topic >> or you want >> It's pretty fun. >> Yeah.

Like we are actually aiming for Grock to be the actually I should say two goals are for Grock to be the most uh truth seeeking AI but also the funniest AI because you got to have some fun in life and you know uh laughter is the best medicine. You got to you you got to have some fun. [Applause] Elon, you've predicted a world of abundant energy, robotic labor, and AGI.

Uh, with AI and Optimus, uh, doing, you know, potentially a a lot of things and reducing the amount of things that we're doing today, what do you think is left for humans and and, um, really what does that mean for uh, in the world of artificial super intelligence? >> Yeah, that's a question that I struggle with actually. So um this is part of the reason for neural link which is to um improve the bandwidth communication with AI.

So to help achieve a better human AI symbiosis so that you know AI knows what we want. Um and it can respond to collective human world. Um and I think things like can actually um effectively dramatically increase our our intelligence. Um um but I think the future is very much one where human intelligence, machine intelligence and robots are interwoven.

I think I I said I think it's it's 80% maybe 90% likely to be awesome, but we got to be cautious about that, you know, 10% maybe not awesome situation >> like Terminator. >> Uh yeah. Yeah. I mean seriously that that uh you know stuff like that would be bad. What's your vision for a society where human effort is no longer required for survival or productivity? How do we avoid irrelevance? >> Brian, I think that's a central question.

Um well if we are symbiotic with AI where we that there's this essentially a merger of human and machine intelligence then we may be able to address the relevance question you know like let's say you uh ride a bicycle or a motorcycle or a car, you're you're super human in what you're able to do. You can now travel faster than any human uh with legs. I mean, if you're a car, you can go vastly faster than the fastest human ever.

Um does that make running irrelevant? I mean, people still run and still race against each other. So, but but you got humans working with machines. I mean, they actually had these kind of debates when this steam engine came along and and the team travel. Uh it's like well because people derived a lot of their value from saying they they can do manual work faster than a machine and then the machine got answer.

So um but this is a philosophical question that I struggle with and the best thing I can come up with is that you have interwoven human and machine intelligence and uh got something like neural link to augment human intelligence and improve the symbiosis with AI that that we effectively become maybe one with the AI. >> Elon, you off >> Sorry, the audience was about to clap and I started talking.

Um, but Elon, you you know, you're you're solving uh I guess in a lot of ways, as sometimes you say, you know, a lot of problems. Um, and in a lot of ways, you're creating an a very exciting future with reusable rockets, the mission to Mars with Starship, with the humanoid robots and how it's going to um just the impact that it'll have and Neurolink and seeing the impact on um Noland and Brad.

What what gives you hope um for today um not just for humanity and civilization, but personally? Well, I think the future is going to be very interesting and exciting and and I guess I also think would I want to be at any other point in human history? Is there some other point in human history that that is is more interesting than where we are today? And I think the answer is no. At least for me.

I think we're at the most interesting part of human history. And it's getting more interesting with each passing month. And so so think okay well if I'm in if I'm in the part of human history that that is the most interesting then I think you know anyone feels that way and I think a lot of people feel that way that we should feel very lucky to be alive at this at this time to see these amazing things happen.

[Applause] Well, Elon, we wanted to do a time check. Um, but also >> I bet I better get back to my eight jobs. >> Yeah, exactly. You're not a busy man at all. Uh but we just um Kelvin and I we just want to on behalf of Tesla owners of Silicon Valley, uh Tesla owners Austria, Sanwain Valley, and really just uh all of the 1500 people that traveled from all over the world. We just want to personally just say thank you for all you're doing.

Um and thank you for continuing to push humanity forward. >> Well, thank you. >> Yeah, you have a whole bunch of people here just cheering. So, thank you for all you're doing. >> Thank you. Well, and and uh and thank you for all your support over the years. Uh it's super appreciated. Uh you know, I would say my heart goes out to you, but I have to watch my gestures these days. >> We know what you mean.

>> I can only point straight ahead or straight up. >> Thanks. Um, hey Elon. So, we wanted >> But anyway, my heart does go out to you and uh thank you all for your support over the years. >> Yeah. And we just had one thing uh that we wanted to present to you. Um >> Okay. >> How's it going, Elon?

So on behalf of TSO tov and uh the presenting sponsors uh haha yes we we wanted to present something to you that was symbolic meaningful and really you know these last few months have obviously been quite tumultuous for you and so we really got creative and and really uh yeah we wanted to create you something special. And so I'm going to read you something. Basically, you know, Elon, you you brought electric cars back from the dead.

You made clean energy cool. You made rockets reusable. You're going to take us to Mars. You spent billions to buy Twitter and save free speech. You stopped running your empire to work for the US government for free, to reduce wasteful spending, to save the country from bankruptcy. >> Right. And it took a few arrows for that one. Absolutely. >> And and and and how and how were you thanked? It's like you were betrayed. You were you were mocked.

Attacked by the very people who once cheered you on. >> Your name dragged through the mud. Your cars vandalized. Your motives questioned. But that's not the full story, as I imagine many here would attest. So there are millions of people who see you for who you are. >> Yeah. >> People whose lives you've touched and changed. People who believe in what you're building. People who love you and have your back. >> Thank you. >> So yeah, thank you.

So, we were gonna we were going to introduce to uh like a few uh more than a few, but we had a real that we were going to play, but with some technicalities. We're unable to do it of actual testimonials from people uh really meaningful, impactful ones that people really wanted you to hear. But, uh >> we'll post it on X. >> We'll post it on X.

Uh but there was still it there was only a few but there's a lot more people who want to express their gratitude and support. Thank you. >> But uh you know fortunately they could write letters >> and so Elon thousands of people wrote letters to you to to to demonstrate you know uh and express how much you have meant to them. >> We love you. >> Well love you guys too. >> Thank you. So, we compressed all those paper letters into this brick junk.

Yep. This is a custommade brick. Uh the brick itself is a message to you. It's heavy brick. Not in the sense of how heavy it is, but it's a brick of belief which weighs more than any material matter. We believe you can achieve the impossible. Hence the quote on the front of this brick. You want to read it, John? This brick does fly in spirit because you made you have made the impossible happen. >> All right. Thank you. Much appreciated. >> Yeah.

And so Elon, yeah, you make bricks fly and in turn that inspires us to to pursue the impossible. And you know what we all say to that? Everyone repeat after me. Haha. Yes. >> Yes. Ah, yes. Thank you, Elon. We love you. >> Thank you. Love you, too. >> Thank you, Elon, for your time. We appreciate it. And, uh, hopefully you have a good rest of, uh, your Saturday afternoon. >> All right. You guys, it was a pleasure speaking. [Applause]